Barraza goes down HARD in steeple ++ Where do you rank it in terms of agonizing defeats?

Aha moment, Ghost of Deimer, Screw Off, It's Egun are all the same IP.

wejo wrote:

Aha moment, Ghost of Deimer, Screw Off, It's Egun are all the same IP.

Hahahaha, always love when someone gets busted for the old multiple handles in one thread.

another runner wrote:

It’s Egun wrote:

I disagree with you Weldon

A steepler doesn’t do what he did, it really was embarrassing.

Get up and run.

And just didn’t.

And to satisfy you, tomorrow I will begin posting only as my own name.

You're a tool.

I agree.

I love these tough guys who have all the answers from bold anonymity their mommas basement. Run too slow they have no balls. Run exactly as they should abd fail, they're stupid.

Ba razza is my kind of runner. All balls no talk.

It’s Egun wrote:

Nope, sorry.

What did Evan do when he went down?

What did Malley do when he went down?

What steeplers do when they go down?

Get up and run.

Please don'tinvoke my name in one of your petty rants. All falls aren't the same.

I wonder if Barraza's workouts have been indicating that he's in 8:2x shape and they thought that he could just destroy everyone?

He was the best runner in the field by far, but flat surface fitness does not always translate to the steeple.

A guy with 13:38-3:58 ability should be able to run 8:35-8:38. Brian's PR is 8:40. He's just not a natural steeplechaser (I know someone who had a 5k PR of 15:00 and a 1500 PR of 3:55 who soloed 8:50 in the steeple. That's a natural steeplechaser).

With my two cents having the advantage of hindsight, I still think it was a reckless call if a coach made that call. I have a feeling that Brian made the call on his own for his team. It was ballsy and kudos to him for showing an incredible amount of heart. It's awesome to see someone risk personal glory for team glory.

However, one of a coach's main jobs is to be a voice of reason when an athlete's mind is awash with far-fetched dreams. with the incredible coaching staff that Houston has, I'm guessing Brian ignored them. Brian is an incredible athlete and a true competitor, but had he run more controlled in the early stages of the race and delivered that onslaught after 2000 meters, he most likely would've won.

^Those are the thoughts that crossed my mind when I first saw Brian's race tonight. The fact of the matter is, I know next-to- nothing about Brian Barraza. I have no right to weigh-in on his performance. He has incredible coaches. They most likely got together, anticipated as many variables as they could and agreed on what they thought was the best plan with the information they had available at the time. It just proves why we run races in the first place; no matter how good we are or how much we know, we cannot 100% predict the outcomes.

Well my friend,

You have established yourself as a contrarian time and time and time and time and time again.

His PR is 8:32 for the steeple. So your whole argument is invalid.

He had the best PR and the best 5k PR of the field. Though he's run a fast mile, he is a 5k/10k type. He ran the 10k before he ran the steeple. He got out kicked in the prelims and made the finals only on time.

Going for it was the right call. He would have likely won, and even if he didn't, he'd end up 2nd or at worst 3rd.

Houston needed to be near perfect to win a championship.

Most of you all are showing how clueless you are about the sport.

All you guys hating are Nike shills. Go back to Cap's corner and thinking that you actually matter.

It's so obvious and sad that you take pleasure in a tough heartbreaking performance.

Jimjamesrunner wrote:

A guy with 13:38-3:58 ability should be able to run 8:35-8:38. Brian's PR is 8:40. He's just not a natural steeplechaser (I know someone who had a 5k PR of 15:00 and a 1500 PR of 3:55 who soloed 8:50 in the steeple. That's a natural steeplechaser).

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A guy with 13:38/3:58 stats should be able to run sub 8:20.

wejo wrote:

Aha moment, Ghost of Deimer, Screw Off, It's Egun are all the same IP.

Exactly. Anti-magness poster on whatever handle he can create.

Have you actually seen him hurdle? He's great at it. Definitely a steepler.

Egun you’ve ripped on Magness, ripped on Meb, ripped on Jager, ripped on Shalane, defended AlSal, defended Rupp.

It’s easy to see. You’re not objective. Having to change names 4 times in this thread is further proof of the cowardice within you.

Wow, that would have been an epic win, so unfortunate. Hopefully he'll be back.

Sportscenter has him in the 'Not Top 10' with clown music :/

Going out at a pace significantly faster than your PR is NEVER a good strategy in a championship race. You are setting yourself up for failure 98% of the time. And like others have said, as someone who ran the steeplechase in college, you have to save some for that last lap or you risk having EXACTLY THIS happening. Terrible execution.

I still feel sorry for the guy.

His or is low 8:30s actually... he ran it at rice during his redshirt last year

JImm wrote:

Going out at a pace significantly faster than your PR is NEVER a good strategy in a championship race. You are setting yourself up for failure 98% of the time. And like others have said, as someone who ran the steeplechase in college, you have to save some for that last lap or you risk having EXACTLY THIS happening. Terrible execution.

I still feel sorry for the guy.

His PR is 8:32 pace doing it solo. He went out on 8:28 pace, doing it solo.

I signed on this morning expecting to see a Barazza love-fest. I guess I should've known better.

He ran that race brilliantly. His pace was hard, but far from suicidal based on his previous performances. He was right at the edge, stretching the field enough to give him a winning margin going into the last lap, but not pushing so hard that he was going to be a sitting duck for the kickers. He was still moving really well when he crashed. It's easy to criticize tactics when someone loses, but sometimes even the best steeplers fall. Maybe if he'd been going slightly slower he wouldn't have struggled. But maybe he'd have then been in a pack and ended up tripping on another runner. Maybe he wouldn't have had the lead he needed, and he would've gotten outkicked by 6 guys. Who the heck knows.

Also, it's clear that he went down really hard, falling again as he tried to get going. It's pretty astonishing to me that with all the hate that gets thrown around at runners who won't push the pace, the one guy in this whole meet who had some balls is being ripped as a wuss.

Brian went out and pushed all in for his team. Simple as that. Please don’t speculate that two guys that know nothing about the steeple would dictate a race plan in an event they don’t coach. Why the hell did I come to this godforsaken forum in the first place.