Gender equity!? Barriers for women's steeple set at men's height!!!

Just sayinngggg wrote:

Still waiting for an answer.

If you think that men and women should do the same height, why is it the men’s height? Why should the women move up to the men’s height instead of lowering the meb’s Height to the women’s?

Why is it that the women would have to change to fit the men’s height instead of the men changing to fit the women’s height?

If the goal is for there to be “equality”, why not make the men change?

And the women’s water jump used to be 10’. There were two different slots for the barrier and some water jumps had an insert. This was until about 2002.

Women wanted to compete in the same event as the men which existed before for several years. Therefore they should be competing in the same event with the same distance and barrier height parameters period. There should be no gender categories anyway if you want gender equality.

Minimax wrote:

rthetyj wrote:

Emma Coburn - 5 ft 8 in (173 cm)

Paul Kipsiele Koech (3rd fastest man ever) - 5 ft 6.5 in (170 cm)

The barriers should be the same height for men and women.

Body composition is a bigger factor than height. A higher body fat percentage and lower centre of gravity are the reason why hardly any women can high jump over 2m. Ease of comfortably hurdling and steeplechasing is probably similar.

Plus women simply can't produce as much force as men and can't jump as high or far.

This is evident to anyone with a brain who watches the triple jump, long jump or high jump. Unfortunately that includes practically nobody on Letsrun

The men should not have to move to 30" because....

I think you missed the point. You do realize all the gender equity baiters on here are making thier argument tounge in cheek, right? No one actually thinks women should have to hurdle the same height as the men. They are just a bunch of fan boys bent out of shape over the shemale sprinters in Connecticut and the gender equity SJWs.

ex-runner wrote:

Minimax wrote:

Body composition is a bigger factor than height. A higher body fat percentage and lower centre of gravity are the reason why hardly any women can high jump over 2m. Ease of comfortably hurdling and steeplechasing is probably similar.

Plus women simply can't produce as much force as men and can't jump as high or far.

This is evident to anyone with a brain who watches the triple jump, long jump or high jump. Unfortunately that includes practically nobody on Letsrun

The steeplechase barrier is hardly a maximal jump, anyone with a reasonable functioning brain can understand that. The barriers should be the same height for men and women period, the whole argument is ridiculous. Serena Williams is not moaning about having the tennis net set at a lower height just because women tennis players are shorter than the men on average. People are completely free to use the best technique appropriate to them as an individual to get over the barriers; in the steeple you are free to put your foot on the barriers if you are worried about hurdling as David Bedford did when breaking the British record. Asking for the barriers to be a lower height in the steeple so that you can hurdle them comfortably is completely ludicrous.

But is that tall enough to break the glass ceiling?

In plain English wrote:

great wrote:

This is fascinating. Only Coburn noticed it and gestured to the officials but after 2 laps it's still at wrong height.

Translation: only the American was such a wuss they had to complain, the rest just got on with it.

Translation: Only the american is concerned enough about the rules to Literally level the playing field when she would have a clear advantage letting it go.

Alternate translation: Only the american in "Women's 3k Steeplechase" interested in running Women's 3k Steeplechase as defined by the rules for the "Women's 3k Steeplechase"

Obviously the women would be jumping much closer to their maximal jump than the men, should the barriers be the same height. And therefore it would be much more tiring. This is obvious.

In both events, the difference from the flat to the steeple is about 6% and that makes sense.

Not sure why you'd want the women's event to be about 10% harder for them than the flat event, just to make some stupid point.

How it is now, elite times are around 8 minutes for men and 9 minutes for women. And that's easy to understand and works out well.

Start paying women the same, holding the same amount of female events with the same prize money AND giving our sport equal coverage. THEN you can raise the barriers with ACTUAL NOTICE to train for that height.

It is mind blowing the amount of male self-entitled misogynists on this site who clearly never even made it to an NCAA Division 1 championship, let alone can attest to the profession ranks. But of course it's just "lets run banter." Take some responsibility for the messages you are importing on the younger generations that come onto this site because they love geeking out about our sport.

Time's Up. wrote:

Start paying women the same, holding the same amount of female events with the same prize money AND giving our sport equal coverage. THEN you can raise the barriers with ACTUAL NOTICE to train for that height.

It is mind blowing the amount of male self-entitled misogynists on this site who clearly never even made it to an NCAA Division 1 championship, let alone can attest to the profession ranks. But of course it's just "lets run banter." Take some responsibility for the messages you are importing on the younger generations that come onto this site because they love geeking out about our sport.

DL pays same prizes to both genders. Try to keep up.

That's the wrong tennis analogy. Women can easily hit the ball over the tennis net. Even children can easily hit the ball over the net. If women were so short that when they served they made contact with the ball at a lower height than the net, you could argue that men and women ought to have nets of different heights. The point is that skilful men, women and children can play tennis on the same court, as it was meant to be played. The same cannot be said of hurdles (it would be ridiculous for women to hurdle 3ft 6 in) and steeplechase (probably to a lesser extent). It's a similar reason why boys do different distance hurdles through the age groups. In British Athletics I believe the hurdle distances are 75m (under 13), 80m (under 15), 100m (under 17), 110m and 3f 3in (under 20).

The serious tennis question is why do men and women play a different number of sets in many competitions?

Similarly there are serious questions in athletics.

Why don't women run full length cross country?

Why don't women do 20km and 50km walks?

It's arguable that women should throw the same implements, particularly javelin.

Try reading the Diamond League rules? wrote:

Time's Up. wrote:

Start paying women the same, holding the same amount of female events with the same prize money AND giving our sport equal coverage. THEN you can raise the barriers with ACTUAL NOTICE to train for that height.

It is mind blowing the amount of male self-entitled misogynists on this site who clearly never even made it to an NCAA Division 1 championship, let alone can attest to the profession ranks. But of course it's just "lets run banter." Take some responsibility for the messages you are importing on the younger generations that come onto this site because they love geeking out about our sport.

DL pays same prizes to both genders. Try to keep up.

Gender equal overall results for last year to save you looking it up - I count men and women as having the same number.

Submaximal efforts can vary in the amount of effort expended. Lowering or raising the barriers by several inches makes a difference.

letsrun chauvinists wrote:

NERunner053 wrote:

Because this is Letsrun dot com where it's been normalized to make jokes about inequality when men have obvious advantages over women. This website finds it funny or would say that it's just a small joke when in reality it's problematic to start a thread with this title in the first place.

EVERYONE ON LETSRUN NEEDS TO READ THIS.

Yep, letsrun needs to work on this. +1

Try reading the Diamond League rules? wrote:

Time's Up. wrote:

Start paying women the same, holding the same amount of female events with the same prize money AND giving our sport equal coverage. THEN you can raise the barriers with ACTUAL NOTICE to train for that height.

It is mind blowing the amount of male self-entitled misogynists on this site who clearly never even made it to an NCAA Division 1 championship, let alone can attest to the profession ranks. But of course it's just "lets run banter." Take some responsibility for the messages you are importing on the younger generations that come onto this site because they love geeking out about our sport.

DL pays same prizes to both genders. Try to keep up.

Emma Coburn is also probably one of the top paid runners right now, male or female.

He's right you nose wrote:

Try reading the Diamond League rules? wrote:

DL pays same prizes to both genders. Try to keep up.

Gender equal overall results for last year to save you looking it up - I count men and women as having the same number.

https://www.iaaf.org/news/press-release/diamond-league-2017-winners-summary

I have to say I would be VERY surprised if meet organisers paid the same appearance money to male and female performers. That is where the real money is made.

I cannot imagine for example that Maria Lasitskene gets paid the same appearance fee as Barshim.

Lasitskene is much easier on the eyes than Barshim, she should be paid more. Levchenko even more.

Feminism is cancer.

Men get paid more because they are better. They run faster, jump higher, and throw further. Women are actually overpaid because there are thousands of men who are better than the women who are earning prize money in a separately created category.

Predictor wrote:

Men get paid more because they are better. They run faster, jump higher, and throw further. Women are actually overpaid because there are thousands of men who are better than the women who are earning prize money in a separately created category.

Men these days are far more prone to jogfests with silly last 200m sprints. Women = wars of attrition. Male equivalent of Ayana or Obiri? Oh please.

Prize money should be proportional to winning margin with a bonus if you lap the entire field.