Why isn't Jakob Ingebrigtsen running the Dream Mile with his older brothers?

Semiler wrote:

Croze wrote:

What are you replying to?

I just heard an interview with Filip in Norwegian tele. What does "Jeg mangler litt fartstrening" mean? Any Scandinavians want to clear it up. Does it really mean "Never will I do speed training"?

"I lack a bit of speed training"

Meaning: I lack track workouts because I've been injured AND because they barely before Oregon.

These guys do not work a lot on speed during their workouts.

Semiler wrote:

"- Når jeg får gjort litt fartstrening de neste ukene så skal jeg vise litt andre takter, så kan Vebjørn finne noe annet å kommentere, sier Filip Ingebrigtsen."

translates "never ever will I do speed training, and surely not this summer"

https://www.dagbladet.no/sport/filip-fnyser-av-rodal-kritikk---eneste-han-sier-etter-hvert-lop/69881187

I've already commented on this, but speed training for these guys is not speed training like you think of it. Its mostly 1500m hard workouts on the track. That is speed compared to what they do the rest of the year.

Speed training in order to develop a 50+ last lap capacity means running significantly faster than threshold endurance intervals. A major ingredient is to build anaerobic capacity. That means putting on some muscles and running unsustainably fast.

Semiler wrote:

Speed training in order to develop a 50+ last lap capacity means running significantly faster than threshold endurance intervals. A major ingredient is to build anaerobic capacity. That means putting on some muscles and running unsustainably fast.

Not true at all. As long as he has the strength to run most of the race 'fresh', he can enter the last lap with fairly fresh legs and tap into his talent. This isn't uncommon at all. You don't need to do speed specific stuff to develop speed you already have. You need to do strength stuff to make sure you actually can use your speed at the end.

Semiler wrote:

Speed training in order to develop a 50+ last lap capacity means running significantly faster than threshold endurance intervals. A major ingredient is to build anaerobic capacity. That means putting on some muscles and running unsustainably fast.

You're unable to admit you're wrong aren't you?

They do not do much speed training, that is not the way they train. Putting on some muscles? Give me a break. They will be thinner come European Championship than they are now.

Do you follow track? wrote:

Semiler wrote:

Speed training in order to develop a 50+ last lap capacity means running significantly faster than threshold endurance intervals. A major ingredient is to build anaerobic capacity. That means putting on some muscles and running unsustainably fast.

Not true at all. As long as he has the strength to run most of the race 'fresh', he can enter the last lap with fairly fresh legs and tap into his talent. This isn't uncommon at all. You don't need to do speed specific stuff to develop speed you already have. You need to do strength stuff to make sure you actually can use your speed at the end.

Correct, that is how they think. Henrik has never ever been fast and has always had a good close. Their philosophy is too have as little as possible lactate when there is one lap to go.

Centro did a 50+ last lap in Rio. Manangoi is previously a 400m runner. A sit&kick race is in such runners interest. The Ingebrigtsens best last lap is a 54+. Far too slow if winning is the objective. Tactically they will need to hope for their favorite pace to win anything. Besides there are no pacers at the championships.

Semiler wrote:

Centro did a 50+ last lap in Rio. Manangoi is previously a 400m runner. A sit&kick race is in such runners interest. The Ingebrigtsens best last lap is a 54+. Far too slow if winning is the objective. Tactically they will need to hope for their favorite pace to win anything. Besides there are no pacers at the championships.

Right or wrong, that doesn't change how they train though. Whatever you feel they should do doesn't affect them. They've always gone their way and it works. Filip took a bronze at the last years WCs, and a race like Rio with such a slow first 3 laps is not the norm. Usually it goes harder for longer, but of course it depends. Remember London? Henrik got 6th. By pure speed he was probably one of, if not the slowest, in the field.

Regarding best lap:

Henrik is struggling with his hamstring and hasn't been able to train speed since before his injury, but both Filip and Jakob is capable of far faster than 54+ laps of a slow pace. If you think otherwise you have no clue.

*5th in london

It was a rather slow race in Oslo. And guess what... Filip clocked in an impressive 58 blank last lap.

Why didn't he use his usual 49 low speed capabilites in front of his own crowd to secure an easy win?

Semiler wrote:

It was a rather slow race in Oslo. And guess what... Filip clocked in an impressive 58 blank last lap.

Why didn't he use his usual 49 low speed capabilites in front of his own crowd to secure an easy win?

I'm starting to think you're trolling.

He runs 49 in the 400m if he wants to, 2 years ago he ran a 400m leg in a relay from standing start in 48. He is faster now.

Secondly, you already know the answer. Hes recently returned from an injury and has little track work this spring/start of summer. He is nowhere near top shape.

So, ready to admit your mistakes? The Ingebrigtsens are known for following the same training regime every year. There is little speed, and it won't be any different this year.

Semiler wrote:

"- Når jeg får gjort litt fartstrening de neste ukene så skal jeg vise litt andre takter, så kan Vebjørn finne noe annet å kommentere, sier Filip Ingebrigtsen."

translates "never ever will I do speed training, and surely not this summer"

Semiler is giving an hopeless translation, he is trolling, and if he is norwegian it is allowed, but from a norwegian not trolling, this is what Filip says:

"- After completing some speedtraining the next weeks, I will show something better, then Vebjørn (Rodal ex olympic Atlanta 1996 champion at 800m now expert at norwegian television) can find something else to criticize"

This was a response to Vebjørn Rodal being not overwhelmed by the Ingebrigtsen brothers, stating "they lack speed and final kick".

Jakob, just for fun:

(For your information: a pacer is called hare in norwegian)

Jakob states about the pacers: "Scandal? Well, I am not sure if it was a scandal, but if would have been fun if the hares had done their job.

And who won the race?

Chris O'Hare.

SprintTriathlon wrote:

Semiler wrote:

"- Når jeg får gjort litt fartstrening de neste ukene så skal jeg vise litt andre takter, så kan Vebjørn finne noe annet å kommentere, sier Filip Ingebrigtsen."

translates "never ever will I do speed training, and surely not this summer"

Semiler is giving an hopeless translation, he is trolling, and if he is norwegian it is allowed, but from a norwegian not trolling, this is what Filip says:

"- After completing some speedtraining the next weeks, I will show something better, then Vebjørn (Rodal ex olympic Atlanta 1996 champion at 800m now expert at norwegian television) can find something else to criticize"

This was a response to Vebjørn Rodal being not overwhelmed by the Ingebrigtsen brothers, stating "they lack speed and final kick".

He is trying to be sarcastic, saying that since Filip said he was going to do speed training, that he surely will not, suuure. What he fail to understand is what Filip means by speed training. What he means is 1500m speed on the track, mostly.