Zach Miller' Amazing North Face 50 Miler Finish

S. Canaday wrote:

He filmed that with an DJI Osmo I believe (handheld stabilizer gimbal with a 4K camera...light weight and portable). Same thing he used to film Lake Sonoma 2017 and a lot of stuff. Another option of course is a GoPro on a stabilizer (Karma grip etc).

This is probably one of the "easiest" sections of single track that old course...and not a mud year.....although they are about 28 miles in at this point (shown in the thunbnail). The descent gets really steep and techy going down into the woods to pop out by Stinson beach though (around miles 30)....he didn't get that far though as he stayed high on the ridge line (I know because I was in 3rd at that point in that race).

Thanks!

You could download the track data and calculate based on the exact splits from one point to another point. Then it wouldn't be instantaneous pace data. Without doing that with Rob's data, I can still see it's consistently well under 5:00 pace instantaneous for that 0.3 mile, so that's good enough to jump to that conclusion. As for the irunfar report, when you see someone going by you at around at visually estimated ~4:30 pace, you can report it conservatively as well under sub-5 pace. That's the pace he's going as he is in view. It's like the po-po radaring someone for speeding, you don't need to report a full mile.

Strava calculated a 4:46 fastest mile, for my run under the achievements. That's where they don't have to stick with full mile markers from the start, like the 4:54 from 4.00 to 5.00 miles. So the 4:46 looks like its from about 3.7x to 4.7x miles looking at the splits on Movescount.

As for my bad race, like I said, I'm an old hobby jogger who jogs a lot of miles, but doesn't really train, but likes racing short trail races. I like longer trail races in theory, but I think I'm a bit like Tadese, where my (roughly) half marathon and shorter ability is much better than marathon and longer ability (probably at least due to lack of structured training). My preference in the TNF50 was to stick my nose in as long as possible and see what happens. I'm not an experienced ultra runner, so I thought there was a chance that I was going conservatively enough to finish it out. If I crash and burned, which I did, oh well. I'm a racer. Just finishing a 50 miler means nothing to me. Not that I wouldn't have jogged it in if I could, and another 20 miles didn't make sense with legs barely moving, and the time limits might have come into play. l'm used to much shorter races. My effort in the TNF50 was not hard in my mind until my legs gave out.

I drop sub-5s on much longer downhills in training with medium effort with no sore legs, so that one mile probably wasn't my downfall, just the overall pacing, as you suggest.

Dudes. You guys are hilarious. Arguing about running vs running.

Trail running is running.

Road running is running.

Track running is running.

I feel like what we are really talking about here is whether or not we feel legit. It’s also about our heroes.

For some people Zach Miller is a hero of their sport! Other runners prefer to celebrate fast/elite runners like Meb, Mo, Galen, Centro, etc.

It’s all good.

Lovely post. I really like the immersion in the wild.

Too bad many of us live far from mountains and don't have the option to hit the trails daily.

So what should i do? Wait for the weekend or the holidays to really "engage my body"?

I spend some of my time in the outdoors, i feel great when i run (relatively) fast and I hit the occasional (flat) trails in the backwoods of my town but mostly i eat concrete for breakfast without remorse...

I sincerely feel that many of us are genuinely envious of the pro trailers that can spend their time in the wild nature and don't even need to work, hence the hate. Urban grinders though deserve respect for what they're doing while managing a real life and a family.

In my experience fast mountain runners are fast on the flat too and viceversa, so in that sense there's only one type of running, only one type of elite and hobby jogger both on the roads and on the trails.

zzzz wrote:

it looks like I hit 4:05 pace momentarily.

:)

Lets Run intelligentsia: all running is awesome. Try trail/technical trail/mountain running -- it's really awesome. Test yourself, if you want, with ultra distance. Celebrate it all. (& Zach Miller is a legit beast).

This Regulur wrote:

Dudes. You guys are hilarious. Arguing about running vs running.

Trail running is running.

Road running is running.

Track running is running.

I feel like what we are really talking about here is whether or not we feel legit. It’s also about our heroes.

For some people Zach Miller is a hero of their sport! Other runners prefer to celebrate fast/elite runners like Meb, Mo, Galen, Centro, etc.

It’s all good.

Mannnn...this is so wild..what a time to be a runner..

My running began in elementary school, the annual Jog A Thon in the fall was my Super Bowl, I loved it..neither parent of mine ran but something innate just drew me to running, I couldn't explain it, I was a kid. It progressed over the years to Middle-High School Track, and I picked it up again in my early 20s after a handful of years trying to be a meathead football player. A decade later, I find flow on the roads, trails, up in remote mountains, wherever I can find a good spot to let loose, I am all in. Each terrain of running offers something unique and beneficial. My god, you all overthink this wayyy too much. A Saturday morning when I can get on the roads and throw down a near sub 6 minute pace at a small local 5k, makes for a damn great morning.. and on another Saturday, when my legs, legs and heart are maxing out climbing a steep, technical trail in high humidity, it's a damn great morning! Just appreciate your ability to run, never take it for granted. Happy Running to all..

pcg wrote:

(& Zach Miller is a legit beast).

The "beast" runners are running cross-country, track, and on the roads. This guy ran a country club race against like 7 other people. The "dramatic" social media clickbait video is crass and unappealing. And, simply, as a RUNNER, this guy just doesn't have it. Atrocious form, absurd exaggerated breathing. Gonna guess he attempted to run DI and was spit out the back as a 32-min 10ker. Instead of honing his craft and attempting to improve in legit events, he now just cherry picks mamby pamby races like these. It's kind of sad, really.

Crystalis wrote:

pcg wrote:

(& Zach Miller is a legit beast).

The "beast" runners are running cross-country, track, and on the roads. This guy ran a country club race against like 7 other people. The "dramatic" social media clickbait video is crass and unappealing. And, simply, as a RUNNER, this guy just doesn't have it. Atrocious form, absurd exaggerated breathing. Gonna guess he attempted to run DI and was spit out the back as a 32-min 10ker. Instead of honing his craft and attempting to improve in legit events, he now just cherry picks mamby pamby races like these. It's kind of sad, really.

God help your spiteful spirit. I really feel bad for runners and people like you in general. Sad perspective.

People who say things like "any road runner would dominate the trail scene if they bothered to try, it's just not worth it to them" remind me of myself when I say "I'm not addicted to fapping, I could quit at any time, I just don't want to."

fatbody wrote:

People who say things like "any road runner would dominate the trail scene if they bothered to try, it's just not worth it to them" remind me of myself when I say "I'm not addicted to fapping, I could quit at any time, I just don't want to."

Bad analogy. Makes no sense.

And yes, any halfway decent runner would own these "ultra" chumps. Rupp or Kawauchi would be miles ahead of Mr. Breath Heavy. What a joke this race is.

Adol wrote:

fatbody wrote:

People who say things like "any road runner would dominate the trail scene if they bothered to try, it's just not worth it to them" remind me of myself when I say "I'm not addicted to fapping, I could quit at any time, I just don't want to."

Bad analogy. Makes no sense.

And yes, any halfway decent runner would own these "ultra" chumps. Rupp or Kawauchi would be miles ahead of Mr. Breath Heavy. What a joke this race is.

They would be even if at all. Sorry but you think too highly of flatlanders.

Adol wrote:

fatbody wrote:

People who say things like "any road runner would dominate the trail scene if they bothered to try, it's just not worth it to them" remind me of myself when I say "I'm not addicted to fapping, I could quit at any time, I just don't want to."

Bad analogy. Makes no sense.

And yes, any halfway decent runner would own these "ultra" chumps. Rupp or Kawauchi would be miles ahead of Mr. Breath Heavy. What a joke this race is.

Are you saying that Rupp and Kawauchi are half way decent runners?

Adol wrote:

fatbody wrote:

People who say things like "any road runner would dominate the trail scene if they bothered to try, it's just not worth it to them" remind me of myself when I say "I'm not addicted to fapping, I could quit at any time, I just don't want to."

Bad analogy. Makes no sense.

And yes, any halfway decent runner would own these "ultra" chumps. Rupp or Kawauchi would be miles ahead of Mr. Breath Heavy. What a joke this race is.

Welcome to LRC where most's peoples dreams never quite become reality..