Jama Aden Update-Could get 4.5 years in prison, prosecutors say they found different types of EPO preloaded in syringes

casual obsever wrote:

Start with Aden, Balla and Mounir.

Then those who ever made it onto the likely doping list.

Worth a try.

For sure IAAF can give out bans that later end up with CAS - that wouldn't mean that there never was a ban.

The likely doping list isn't evidence of doping. It's suspicion only. You can't hand out doping bans on suspicion of doping it's idiotic. That only takes place on Letsrun.

I ask again-if you’re Jama, what’s to stop you from simply avoiding Spain (or even the EU, if it comes to that)? Is there any reason to think Qatar would extradite him over this?

Rewt wrote:

I ask again-if you’re Jama, what’s to stop you from simply avoiding Spain (or even the EU, if it comes to that)? Is there any reason to think Qatar would extradite him over this?

Jama has been based out of Spain the last few years, having previously been based out of Sweden. He used to spend time in Ethiopia but has been forbidden from entering the country for some time now.

Perhaps he could find refuge from extradiction somewhere but at least he can be banned, along with any athletes currently associated with him.

ex-runner wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

Start with Aden, Balla and Mounir.

Then those who ever made it onto the likely doping list.

Worth a try.

For sure IAAF can give out bans that later end up with CAS - that wouldn't mean that there never was a ban.

The likely doping list isn't evidence of doping. It's suspicion only. You can't hand out doping bans on suspicion of doping it's idiotic. That only takes place on Letsrun.

Suspicion is actually one step below the "likely doping" classification and results in aggressive target testing. The definition of "likely doping" according to WADA's ABP Operating Guidelines (section L.2.3 - page 53) is as follows:

"Likely doping: Considering the information within the Athlete’s Passport, it is likely that the Passport is the result the Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method and it is highly unlikely that it may be the result of a normal physiological or pathological condition."

Note the language here: "It is LIKELY that the Passport is the result the Use of Prohibited Method and it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that it may be the result of a normal physiological or pathological condition."

➡️Not just unlikely but "HIGHLY" unlikely.

➡️Highly unlikely that it's from a "normal physiological or pathological condition" means not the result of altitude training, naturally high blood levels, dehydration, illness, etc.

Now doesn't that sound like a heck of a lot more than just "suspicion."

ex-runner wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

Start with Aden, Balla and Mounir.

Then those who ever made it onto the likely doping list.

Worth a try.

For sure IAAF can give out bans that later end up with CAS - that wouldn't mean that there never was a ban.

The likely doping list isn't evidence of doping. It's suspicion only. You can't hand out doping bans on suspicion of doping it's idiotic. That only takes place on Letsrun.

What they guy above says it's true.

'Likely doping' in IAAF parlance means that this athlete is pretty clearly a filthy cheat, but we haven't quite reached the threshold that busting them can definitely survive a court challenge (or indeed it means that they could bust them if they wanted, but they're from a protected class so should look to avoid doing so.)

Not an ex-runner wrote:

Note the language here: "It is LIKELY that the Passport is the result the Use of Prohibited Method and it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that it may be the result of a normal physiological or pathological condition."

^This.

The fun thing is that these thresholds were set arbitrarily high in order to avoid false positives, yet violating them is not viewed as a positive.

Note also that I was referring to the Aden athletes on that list: "LIKELY that the Passport is the result the Use of Prohibited Method" and found in a group with EPO literally for everyone. Yet no action.

What a bunch of nonsense `' wrote:

Summing up, no one has been charged, because nothing was found.

However, breaking news, if something had been found, and if they had been charged, and if there had been a trial and they had been convicted, then they could get 4.5 years in prison.

On to other news, if the Brojos had been convicted of shooting President Lincoln, they could also end up in prison.

Huh? 19 preloaded syringes of epo and anabolic steroids have been noted as being found multiple times.[/quote]

That's total BS.

If Aden had done anything wrong he would have been tried and convicted by now.

But he hasn't, so he isn't.

What a bunch of nonsense `' wrote:

Summing up, no one has been charged, because nothing was found.

However, breaking news, if something had been found, and if they had been charged, and if there had been a trial and they had been convicted, then they could get 4.5 years in prison.

On to other news, if the Brojos had been convicted of shooting President Lincoln, they could also end up in prison.

Hang on a sec wrote:

Huh? 19 preloaded syringes of epo and anabolic steroids have been noted as being found multiple times.

That's total BS.

If Aden had done anything wrong he would have been tried and convicted by now.

But he hasn't, so he isn't.[/quote]

It sounds nice, but it's simplistic. Your worth a try would cost a lot. Bypassing protections in place for innocent athletes hurts the sport. Sending frivolous bans to CAS wastes scarce resources that could be used more effectively, hurting anti-doping. The IAAF could ban Mounir, and Balla, for being found with EPO in their possession. I don't see a basis to do more than that.

casual obsever wrote:

Start with Aden, Balla and Mounir.

Then those who ever made it onto the likely doping list.

Worth a try.

For sure IAAF can give out bans that later end up with CAS - that wouldn't mean that there never was a ban.

Ok but consider that the word 'likely' is not certainly. It leaves room for an alternative conclusion. It clearly does not mean 'is doping' or else it would say that; it's an internal document, they could write whatever they liked.

Also I believe that the likely doping flag is an automatic function of some kind of software which helps flag potential outlier scores for review by a person.

Rewt wrote:

I ask again-if you’re Jama, what’s to stop you from simply avoiding Spain (or even the EU, if it comes to that)? Is there any reason to think Qatar would extradite him over this?

Well don't ask again, go and do your own research and find out for yourself, sometimes it's the only way, hard to accept I know, but let that be a lesson in life for you.

Who's a lazy sod then? wrote:

Rewt wrote:

I ask again-if you’re Jama, what’s to stop you from simply avoiding Spain (or even the EU, if it comes to that)? Is there any reason to think Qatar would extradite him over this?

Well don't ask again, go and do your own research and find out for yourself, sometimes it's the only way, hard to accept I know, but let that be a lesson in life for you.

Good one, bud. I bet you feel like a really big boy now.

Phantasy Star wrote:

Hahaha I remember when all the soyboys on this very site were cheering after Dibaba broke the Chinese 1500 record....... and replaced it with an even dirtier one.

i'm not sure you can be more doped than those chinese chicks. that was the full meal deal program.

Dufasthe real one wrote:

He had some kind of Drug that cause a sort of euphoria allowing athletes to go beyond normal exertional pain tolerances.

Sounds like Tramadol

Who's a lazy sod then? wrote:

Rewt wrote:

I ask again-if you’re Jama, what’s to stop you from simply avoiding Spain (or even the EU, if it comes to that)? Is there any reason to think Qatar would extradite him over this?

Well don't ask again, go and do your own research and find out for yourself, sometimes it's the only way, hard to accept I know, but let that be a lesson in life for you.

Lighten up and don't take it to heart, you're just being trolled (it wasn't a bad idea though).

there is this new fangled thing called google

Left Said Fred wrote:

Rewt wrote:

I ask again-if you’re Jama, what’s to stop you from simply avoiding Spain (or even the EU, if it comes to that)? Is there any reason to think Qatar would extradite him over this?

Jama has been based out of Spain the last few years, having previously been based out of Sweden. He used to spend time in Ethiopia but has been forbidden from entering the country for some time now.

Perhaps he could find refuge from extradiction somewhere but at least he can be banned, along with any athletes currently associated with him.

Why is he forbidden from entering Ethiopia?

Sululta Dreams wrote:

Left Said Fred wrote:

Jama has been based out of Spain the last few years, having previously been based out of Sweden. He used to spend time in Ethiopia but has been forbidden from entering the country for some time now.

Perhaps he could find refuge from extradiction somewhere but at least he can be banned, along with any athletes currently associated with him.

Why is he forbidden from entering Ethiopia?

Bumping...why is Aden forbidden in entering Ethiopia? Happy 2 year anniversary to the Sabadell bust, by the way!

Dave Torrence turned in Jama Aden, died of very mysterious causes, the Arpaio-Scottsdale-Mesa County, AZ PD swept it under the rug and buried it because he's a brown dude, and would not allow access to the Facebook messages where Dave's mother implies his life was threatened by Aden on more than one occasion. Maybe the courts could order it opened and look into the possibility of filing murder charges.