He was so far behind early... he obviously came closer to a negative split than the rest of the field...
Implications for race strategy moving forward?
He was so far behind early... he obviously came closer to a negative split than the rest of the field...
Implications for race strategy moving forward?
I thought he ran pretty even splits?
theJeff wrote:
Implications for race strategy moving forward?
Moving forward from 1972?
You think that would have worked against Rudisha in 2012?
Look up Special Relativity then watch the race again timing the splits of Wottle and other competitors.
James Robinson raced in a similar manner. It worked for Robinson sometimes. It takes a lot of discipline to stick to a game plan when the other seven competitors in an 800m race go through the first 200m sub-25.75
Yes, 53.3/52.6
theJeff wrote:
Implications for race strategy moving forward?
Ask James Robinson, 1984 US Olympic Trials, 800m, 4th place. Ask Billy Konchellah, 1984 Olympics, 800m, 4th place. Sometimes even splits or negative splits 800m works, sometimes it does not.
FWIW, Borzakovskiy negative split to win Olympic gold in 2004. The leaders went through in 51.high and he couldn't have been faster than 52.3 and his last lap was definitely 51.x. Usually the best runner on that day will win if they're relatively tactically sound (not going out way too hard or too slow).
kartelite wrote:
FWIW, Borzakovskiy negative split to win Olympic gold in 2004. The leaders went through in 51.high and he couldn't have been faster than 52.3 and his last lap was definitely 51.x. Usually the best runner on that day will win if they're relatively tactically sound (not going out way too hard or too slow).
Okay, well it would have been 51.x assuming he went through in at least 52.46 (which he probably did). It was certainly a negative split nonetheless, no way he came through slower than 52.23.
This is one of the most talked-about American track victories of the 20th century. There must be dozens of threads and/or articles about it. You could surely have found your answer in 10 seconds of googling, but that’s never been your way, has it?
The video is out there on the Internet and I assume you have a stopwatch. Test out your theory!
Ehso wrote:
This is one of the most talked-about American track victories of the 20th century. There must be dozens of threads and/or articles about it. You could surely have found your answer in 10 seconds of googling, but that’s never been your way, has it?
I ran a search here for his name, Munich, and Negative Split. Nothing on LRC, asshat.
vivalarepublica wrote:
The video is out there on the Internet and I assume you have a stopwatch. Test out your theory!
Considered this, but it seems like I have read that that method is unreliable due to arbitrarily inconsistent playback speeds, especially for older footage?
theJeff wrote:
vivalarepublica wrote:
The video is out there on the Internet and I assume you have a stopwatch. Test out your theory!
Considered this, but it seems like I have read that that method is unreliable due to arbitrarily inconsistent playback speeds, especially for older footage?
It would be fine or make negligible difference.
I guess even splits work great in a tactical race (especially for an 800/1500 runner) but what were his splits when he ran his world record 1.5 seconds faster earlier that year?
theJeff wrote:
Ehso wrote:
This is one of the most talked-about American track victories of the 20th century. There must be dozens of threads and/or articles about it. You could surely have found your answer in 10 seconds of googling, but that’s never been your way, has it?
I ran a search here for his name, Munich, and Negative Split. Nothing on LRC, asshat.
And GOD FORBID you ever get any info from a site besides LRC, right? I swear, you’re worse than the people who only hear about the outside world through Facebook.
For the record, googling “Dave Wottle 1972 splits” yielded as the first result:
http://news.runtowin.com/2010/08/20/dave-wottle-1972-800m.htmlWhich conspicuously mentions his even splits.
The next result is a bunch of letsrun threads, including:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=1421234and
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5807372Both contain mention of his even splits.
Moving on down the list of hits, a bunch more articles and forum posts that mention his even splits, plus:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_splitWhat do you know? Even an unrelated Wikipedia article has a mention of Wottle’s famously even splits in that race.
Thanks, Siri.
So, now tell me if you think it is possible to be consistently competitive running even/negative splits for the 800m.
I have always believed that physiologically, negative splits are better, but as a matter of practice, positive splits were necessary to avoid running the entire second lap in lane 2-3. I WANT to believe you CAN be consistently competitive running negative splits in the 800, but I have never been able to convince myself to deliver that message to my athletes.
Thoughts?
Wottle won in a slow time. His best was considerably superior. The question is why did everyone else die so badly off a slow pace?
From the linked wikipedia-article:
"...Like every racing strategy there are advantages and disadvantages. Negative splitting shaves time off the clock,[clarification needed] but does not always get the runner the win..."
What an laughable article.
evad elttow wrote:
From the linked wikipedia-article:
"...Like every racing strategy there are advantages and disadvantages. Negative splitting shaves time off the clock,[clarification needed] but does not always get the runner the win..."
What an laughable article.
Well, obviously, the fastest time doesn't always win [citation needed]
lol
theJeff wrote:
Thanks, Siri.
So, now tell me if you think it is possible to be consistently competitive running even/negative splits for the 800m.
I have always believed that physiologically, negative splits are better, but as a matter of practice, positive splits were necessary to avoid running the entire second lap in lane 2-3. I WANT to believe you CAN be consistently competitive running negative splits in the 800, but I have never been able to convince myself to deliver that message to my athletes.
Thoughts?
Does your belief about even splits apply to the 400m also?
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