Really?
In the context maybe he is correct especially since the science the IAAF is relying on is not very good.
Really?
In the context maybe he is correct especially since the science the IAAF is relying on is not very good.
Yeah, because the science behind training, drug testing, etc is all bad. All time stupid commentary from Masback once again.
Luv2Run wrote:
Really?
In the context maybe he is correct especially since the science the IAAF is relying on is not very good.
Some of the drug testing is not science at all. But the science behind the testosterone levels is really poor.
"Science" is just the process of making a hypothesis and then testing it. If I say "I think I will be able to run a faster 800m time if I get out in 59 seconds instead of my usual 57 seconds," then I go out and run my first lap in 59 seconds next time in order to figure out if that assertion is correct, I've just brought science into track and field. Not only is this not a bad thing, it is completely unavoidable, as it's just how people naturally make decisions.
Luv2Run wrote:
Some of the drug testing is not science at all. But the science behind the testosterone levels is really poor.
Not true. That's a false statement that was tossed into the wind so the SJW brainwashed turkeys could pick it up and run with it in hopes of defending PC darlings like "trans" athletes and EPO fueled East Africans.
Luv2Run wrote:
Really?
In the context maybe he is correct especially since the science the IAAF is relying on is not very good.
How's that? Semenya is about as feminine as Mike Tyson. It's an absolute travesty watching him/her rip down the home straight like an NFL running back and then flex those guns without even breathing hard.
your assertion that, "Semenya is about as feminine as Mike Tyson," is nothing but your entirely subjective opinion. no one denies you the right to have that opinion, but what the IAAF are trying to do is to prove, scientifically, that purely because of her testosterone levels she is in fact not a woman, and there is precisely zero evidence for their claim.
they have not shown that training, or time of day, or diet, or any of a number of other factors do not influence testosterone levels; they have not shown that the definition of "female" can be determined purely by measuring testosterone levels, all they are doing is relying on a number they plucked out of thin air to bamboozle folk into thinking they are doing something clever and rigorous and sciencey and stuff, whereas all they have is their entirely subjective opinion that Caster Smenya is not a woman.
their position is no more rigorous than claiming that she is not a woman because she has 10" biceps.
cheers.
I watched the Prefontaine womens 800 - Caster Semenya is probably my least favorite athlete of all time - I'm so sick and tired of seeing Caster "smoke" the other elite women then doing the arm flexing showboating thing - it's ####### A## BUL##### - this is a disgusting individual - this individual cares nothing about the emotional pain she inflicts on the elite women - proof of this is right after the Rio 800 when Caster "WON" the Gold the other ladies behind Caster were emotionally ripped - especially that blonde lady from the UK who got 4th (but in my mind she got bronze) - I honestly don't know how Caster could even look at the medals let alone receive them - this is like Alabama (football) playing Rice and winning 75 to 10 - nobody wants to see that crap and same in track and field - I don't mind Caster competing - that's cool - but for crying out loud compete as a freaking male - sure 1:55 won't put you in the Olympics but you could possibly run 1:49 - much more of an accomplishment to run 1:49 and run with semi elite men then run 1:55 against women and come in first every time - give these women a chance for their deserved glory - all you do is take it from them - ok big deal you can run 1:55 and "win" every womens 800 race - it's not that impressive - now when Brenda Martinez runs 2:00 flat, that is DAM impressive
Spinachrunner wrote:
I watched the Prefontaine womens 800 - Caster Semenya is probably my least favorite athlete of all time - I'm so sick and tired of seeing Caster "smoke" the other elite women then doing the arm flexing showboating thing - it's ####### A## BUL##### - this is a disgusting individual - this individual cares nothing about the emotional pain she inflicts on the elite women - proof of this is right after the Rio 800 when Caster "WON" the Gold the other ladies behind Caster were emotionally ripped - especially that blonde lady from the UK who got 4th (but in my mind she got bronze) - I honestly don't know how Caster could even look at the medals let alone receive them - this is like Alabama (football) playing Rice and winning 75 to 10 - nobody wants to see that crap and same in track and field - I don't mind Caster competing - that's cool - but for crying out loud compete as a freaking male - sure 1:55 won't put you in the Olympics but you could possibly run 1:49 - much more of an accomplishment to run 1:49 and run with semi elite men then run 1:55 against women and come in first every time - give these women a chance for their deserved glory - all you do is take it from them - ok big deal you can run 1:55 and "win" every womens 800 race - it's not that impressive - now when Brenda Martinez runs 2:00 flat, that is DAM impressive
AKA: when someone I wouldn't be caught dead sleeping with wins, they become even more repulsive. When someone I'd die to sleep with wins, they become that much more attractive.
I don't think I would have worded it that way (and believe me I think women are awesome) but in all honesty I have to AGREE with your statement - I'm glad someone else said what I'd be too chicken to say LOL
Cottonshirt wrote:
your assertion that, "Semenya is about as feminine as Mike Tyson," is nothing but your entirely subjective opinion. no one denies you the right to have that opinion, but what the IAAF are trying to do is to prove, scientifically, that purely because of her testosterone levels she is in fact not a woman, and there is precisely zero evidence for their claim.
they have not shown that training, or time of day, or diet, or any of a number of other factors do not influence testosterone levels; they have not shown that the definition of "female" can be determined purely by measuring testosterone levels, all they are doing is relying on a number they plucked out of thin air to bamboozle folk into thinking they are doing something clever and rigorous and sciencey and stuff, whereas all they have is their entirely subjective opinion that Caster Smenya is not a woman.
their position is no more rigorous than claiming that she is not a woman because she has 10" biceps.
cheers.
The thing is they are not trying to define "female" or what constitutes someone as being a women. They are trying to establish rules for eligibility in racing a certain category. There is a big difference.
The rule you must under 19 years old to play high school sports is not trying to define if you are an adult at that age or not. Sports have all sorts of rules and those rules are about eligibility not someones standing outside of sport such as being a woman or an adult.
not really about genger wrote:
The thing is they are not trying to define "female" or what constitutes someone as being a women. They are trying to establish rules for eligibility in racing a certain category. There is a big difference.
The rule you must under 19 years old to play high school sports is not trying to define if you are an adult at that age or not. Sports have all sorts of rules and those rules are about eligibility not someones standing outside of sport such as being a woman or an adult.
The thing is the categories are male and female, so yea, they are defining gender.
Male for $1000 Alex wrote:
not really about genger wrote:
The thing is they are not trying to define "female" or what constitutes someone as being a women. They are trying to establish rules for eligibility in racing a certain category. There is a big difference.
The rule you must under 19 years old to play high school sports is not trying to define if you are an adult at that age or not. Sports have all sorts of rules and those rules are about eligibility not someones standing outside of sport such as being a woman or an adult.
The thing is the categories are male and female, so yea, they are defining gender.
That is a just a convenient label. They don't say able bodied females of the correct age who haven't had blood transfusions, epo, testosterone, and using approved equipment etc ... report to the start line.
Would you be happy if they changed the category label?
next time Caster races a women's 800, prior to the gun, just hand Caster the Gold medal and be done with it - we already know Caster will run 1:55 and all the other women will run 1:58 to 2:05 - so just give Caster the Gold, give Caster whatever money is contracted then Caster step the ###K off the track and let the actual women compete for the silver and bronze - I can't tell you how pissed I am Caster ruins the women's 800 - Caster needs to do in track what Tebow is doing in baseball - I love track and I love baseball - I know and you know Tebow is not going to the Major Leagues but he is totally cool with it - he will give his best to TRY to make the Majors, but if AA is as far as he goes he is at peace with it (and he doesn't "showboat" in a co ed softball league ) - he's competing with semi elite men to be the best he can be - when all is said and done he can walk away knowing he went as far as he could possibly go in baseball - LIKEWISE Caster is doing itself no favors continuing to just blow elite women away in races - Caster's stuck at 1:55 - if Caster would let go of the stupid ass showboating pride and compete with semi elite men, Caster could walk away from the sport having run 1:49/1:48