Minimum 200m, 300m, and 400m sprint equivalents necessary to run a 1:29 600m

An 800/1500 athlete may race 600m app. 2 1/2 seconds slower than 400m pace. A 200/400 athlete may race 600m app. five seconds slower than than 400m pace. If you are a Marathon hobby-jogger, I have no idea?

27. 200 and 56. 400 would prob do the trick. if you can go through in those splits and hang on, you'll be in good shape.

Two answers wrote:

An 800/1500 athlete may race 600m app. 2 1/2 seconds slower than 400m pace. A 200/400 athlete may race 600m app. five seconds slower than than 400m pace. If you are a Marathon hobby-jogger, I have no idea?

I am not built like your typical runner. I have a lot of power in my lower body. Current weight is 180, solid muscle, only maybe 5 lbs I could actually cut. My best events currently are probably in the 800m - 3k range.

I am very quick over very short distances, as in 30m - 60m but I fade in a 100m or a 200m. That said, I have run 200m in 27.4 by myself at the end of a workout in the past few weeks, this after running for 60 minutes. I think the first 100m was right at 13 low. I have some lower leg issues (old man stuff) so I although not that fast naturally, I think I have more athletic ability (and longevity) than most other 35 year olds.

I have not raced a 400m. I did time trial 300m at the end of about an hour of running and ran in the high 43's recently, too.

The reason for the question was I thought that if I can get to a solo 1:29 600m, I might be motivated enough to try to train to race close to a 2 flat 800m with some hard work.

23, 39, 53

I don't think Sydney McLaughlin can break 90 for 600m. We know her 200m & 400m personal bests.

sounds like my answer was perfect.

CHICK-FIL-A IS A PYRAMID SCHEME wrote:

23, 39, 53

+1

bracketed PBs 23low-23 high, 38low,-38-mid, 53.low-54..0

maybe more telling a stat: 2:05-2:06 for the half

23 point and 54 low seem pretty fast to go 1:29 in the 600m. Using the 2.5 second rule of thumb above, a 58 second 400m guy would would try to pass through the 400m mark in his 600m run in 60.5, en route to a hypothetical 1:30.75 ?

So really a 57 sec 400m runner should be able to get under 1:30 for 600m, unless I am missing something.

If that's the case then our 54 flat guys should be running under 1:25 if he's of the 800m variety.

asker of the question wrote:

23 point and 54 low seem pretty fast to go 1:29 in the 600m. Using the 2.5 second rule of thumb above, a 58 second 400m guy would would try to pass through the 400m mark in his 600m run in 60.5, en route to a hypothetical 1:30.75 ?

So really a 57 sec 400m runner should be able to get under 1:30 for 600m, unless I am missing something.

If that's the case then our 54 flat guys should be running under 1:25 if he's of the 800m variety.

I agree. 54-low, in my opinion, is a better indication of a 2-flat 800m. For sub 90 600m, I'd say under 57 should be the goal (in the 57s would be cutting it too close).

compressed wrote:

asker of the question wrote:

23 point and 54 low seem pretty fast to go 1:29 in the 600m. Using the 2.5 second rule of thumb above, a 58 second 400m guy would would try to pass through the 400m mark in his 600m run in 60.5, en route to a hypothetical 1:30.75 ?

So really a 57 sec 400m runner should be able to get under 1:30 for 600m, unless I am missing something.

If that's the case then our 54 flat guys should be running under 1:25 if he's of the 800m variety.

I agree. 54-low, in my opinion, is a better indication of a 2-flat 800m. For sub 90 600m, I'd say under 57 should be the goal (in the 57s would be cutting it too close).

My experience pretty much backs up you theory:

I recently ran a 600 in training, after strenght training. I got 1:32 or something, but I could probably shave off a second or 2 in a race.

Last sunday I raced a 400m race in 57 seconds.

(My 800 pb is 2:10, does that add up?)

I ran 1:26 in a time trial. Maybe a second faster would have been possible in a race. PRs 200m 24.68 (with headwind, just this one race ever, but several low 24s in training sessions), 400m 53.46.

For 1:29 I think 55-56 400m is realistic. Then you can try to split 28-29 and around 58 and hang on as good as possible over the final 200. However, this would enable you to come close to a 2:00 800m just if you were a guy with superior endurance. If you come from the speed side don't be too dissappointed if you can achieve just around 2:05 - 2:10.

wineturtle wrote:

[quote]CHICK-FIL-A IS A PYRAMID SCHEME wrote:

23, 39, 53

+1

bracketed PBs 23low-23 high, 38low,-38-mid, 53.low-54..0

I concede that a 2 flat 800 guy might hit 1:29 on endurance training strength with only a 55.mid 400 pb

but that type of runner would not be typical. Answering a generalized question on a message board pushes me to thinking more towards norms than outliers.

Someone gave an answer using the splits he thought one should hit -- but that is not how I read the question.

asker of the question wrote:

23 point and 54 low seem pretty fast to go 1:29 in the 600m. Using the 2.5 second rule of thumb above, a 58 second 400m guy would would try to pass through the 400m mark in his 600m run in 60.5, en route to a hypothetical 1:30.75 ?

So really a 57 sec 400m runner should be able to get under 1:30 for 600m, unless I am missing something.

If that's the case then our 54 flat guys should be running under 1:25 if he's of the 800m variety.

Lol the 600 is practically a sprint event you won't be running it even split. If you come through in over 60 you aren't breaking 1:31. A 54.0 400 runner would come through the 400 mark at 56-57 and probably run the last 200 around at 30 for a final time of ~1:26.5.

I broke 1:30 for the first time when I was running 55 for 400 and 2:05ish for the 800. I didn't have great endurance so you could probably do it with 56 second 400 speed. That means you should be able to run a 26 second 200 from the blocks or just over 25 seconds with a flying start. Since it seems like your aerobic endurance is good (if you have a good 3k), and you have explosive speed, then you just need to work on more specific anaerobic endurance and you should be there.

I'll answer by stating wrote:

I don't think Sydney McLaughlin can break 90 for 600m. We know her 200m & 400m personal bests.

Stupidest post of the week. She can break 1:28 without much effort.

food for thought

1:21.77 Caster Semenya (South Africa) 8/27/17

1:22.39 Ajee Wilson (US) 8/27/17

US LIST

600 METERS

1:12.81 Johnny Gray (Santa Monica TC) 5/24/86

1:13.28 Duane Solomon (Saucony) 7/01/13

1:13.80 Earl Jones (Santa Monica TC) 5/24/86

1:14.15 David Mack (Santa Monica TC) 5/24/86

1:14.16 ————Gray 7/21/84

1:14.33 Charles Jock (Oregon TC) 6/14/15

1:14.3(A) Lee Evans (San Jose St) 8/31/68

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1:14.6(A) Larry James (Villanova) 8/31/68

I ran 1:23 off 25s / 200m and 52s / 400m.

Minimum? Not sure, maybe:

27/ 42 / 56

You'd do it easily if you ran

25 / 39 / 54