Could be doping. Suspicious of her and her way of closing the last lap.
Could be doping. Suspicious of her and her way of closing the last lap.
UpDown wrote:
I think we have to think about a couple factors that might put her in closer contention to the record:
1) Without the wind and with an evenly paced race she could have run closer to 9:10
2) She will have competition pulling her along and others that can likely hit this time /be close
3) No one out performs expectations more than Jenny...
My guess is she runs 8:24 in Doha if all conditions are right.... call me an optimist
rojo wrote:
The one I want to see is the 3k. She's running against the big guns in Doha next Friday. Will drug cheat Mary Slaney's US record of 8:25.83 which has stood since September 7, 1985 finally go down? Simpson is #2 on the US all-time list at 8:29.58 (2014). Her 9:16 is only worth 8:35.6.
Here is a nice article from the Des Moines Register on Simpson's 2-mile win. Simpson who was born in Iowa and has never lost at Drake. She's a perfect 11 for 11.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/drake/2018/04/27/jenny-simpson-delivers-american-record-2-mile-2018-drake-relays/559091002/
Optimistic is an understatement. She ain’t running 8:30 let alone 8:25 next week. She will likely start with the pack, fall off around 2k, and then close ok for a top finish in like 8:33.
gaglrsge777 wrote:
Congratulations Jenny Simpson!!! Another victory for clean sport.
Doped to the gills.
My girl Alexa still showing no form. I know it's early, but things not looking promising yet.
The 2M record was soft so not surprising that Simpson got it. 3k record is much tougher, as will be the field in Doha. Can't run for records and race a tough field at the same time.
Les wrote:
The 2M record was soft so not surprising that Simpson got it. 3k record is much tougher, as will be the field in Doha. Can't run for records and race a tough field at the same time.
Ummm...yes, you can. Ritzenhein's 5000 several years ago. What ARE you talking about?
Les wrote:
The 2M record was soft so not surprising that Simpson got it. 3k record is much tougher, as will be the field in Doha. Can't run for records and race a tough field at the same time.
What?
Les wrote:
The 2M record was soft so not surprising that Simpson got it. 3k record is much tougher, as will be the field in Doha. Can't run for records and race a tough field at the same time.
Yeah, that's moronic logic. It's not the Olympics bozo.
[quote]Go papermakers wrote:
My girl Alexa still showing no form. I know it's early, but things not looking promising yet.[/quote
Yes , very disappointing effort. Hoped for better.
Unlike Drake, where lack of competition meant Simpson could run record pace unhindered, at Doha she's facing athletes as good or better than she is. She will have to run the pace the pack is willing to run. She can't dictate. If the pack goes out slow the first K, there's not much Simpson can do -- she can't run away from the field and try for an AR alone -- that would be moronic.
In Ritzenhein's AR, he wasn't competing for the win. He was dropped midrace and was running alone.
Setting records in a race where an athlete is trying to win against tough competition is next to impossible because setting records require running some minimum pace, whereas racing a field means running the pace the pack wants to run. If the pack pace happens to be fast all the way, all the better, but it rarely happens because people want to save something for the kick so the pace lags at some point, usually before the last K. If the pack pace is slow then a record is out the window from the get-go. Most of the time the pack doesn't even follow the pacers if there are pacers. The athletes in the pack run whatever pace they feel maximizes their chances of winning -- they could care less about anybody's record attempt.
In a word, very few athletes can impose their will on a world-class field and just run away from them. Only once in a generation talents like for example Bekele, can do something like that. If you're not head and shoulders above the rest of the field you can only do what the pack decides to do for most of the race. To do anything else is competitive suicide.
I actually think Simpson's best chance for the 3k record would be similar to Ritz's run. Get dropped mid-race so she can run unhindered to the finish. She wouldn't compete for the win, but she could get the record that way.
Les wrote, in part:
"In Ritzenhein's AR, he wasn't competing for the win. He was dropped midrace and was running alone."
In Ritzenhein's AR race, he closed like a MF in the last 1000. Ritz was in 2nd place briefly on the last lap. I call that competing like a MF for the win. Ritz ended up 3rd.
If you can find it, the German language broadcast is great when they finally notice Ritz and pronounce it "Dah-Tahn" and then roll the R in "Ritzenhein" a bit. On this broadcast with Dwight Stones and Lewis Johnson, the last 1000 starts at 1:17:32 on the video:
Les wrote:
Unlike Drake, where lack of competition meant Simpson could run record pace unhindered, at Doha she's facing athletes as good or better than she is. She will have to run the pace the pack is willing to run. She can't dictate. If the pack goes out slow the first K, there's not much Simpson can do -- she can't run away from the field and try for an AR alone -- that would be moronic.
In Ritzenhein's AR, he wasn't competing for the win. He was dropped midrace and was running alone.
Setting records in a race where an athlete is trying to win against tough competition is next to impossible because setting records require running some minimum pace, whereas racing a field means running the pace the pack wants to run. If the pack pace happens to be fast all the way, all the better, but it rarely happens because people want to save something for the kick so the pace lags at some point, usually before the last K. If the pack pace is slow then a record is out the window from the get-go. Most of the time the pack doesn't even follow the pacers if there are pacers. The athletes in the pack run whatever pace they feel maximizes their chances of winning -- they could care less about anybody's record attempt.
In a word, very few athletes can impose their will on a world-class field and just run away from them. Only once in a generation talents like for example Bekele, can do something like that. If you're not head and shoulders above the rest of the field you can only do what the pack decides to do for most of the race. To do anything else is competitive suicide.
I actually think Simpson's best chance for the 3k record would be similar to Ritz's run. Get dropped mid-race so she can run unhindered to the finish. She wouldn't compete for the win, but she could get the record that way.
No, Dathan was not dropped mid race and racing alone. He was at the back of the pack from the start because they were flying too fast, hence him passing almost every runner in the field from that point on. Where people like you get this stuff from? Do you know what his 400 split was compared to Bekele? Get a brain, buy one or at least rent one.
Due try to keep your opinion separate from the facts. He got to 2nd place and was passed right near the end.
No, Simpson will not have to race the pace the pact is going? What are you smoking? She can run her own race and pace from the gun.
Over analysis leads to paralysis. You're hurting your head trying to sound smart.
SlowFatMaster wrote:
Les wrote, in part:
"In Ritzenhein's AR, he wasn't competing for the win. He was dropped midrace and was running alone."
In Ritzenhein's AR race, he closed like a MF in the last 1000. Ritz was in 2nd place briefly on the last lap. I call that competing like a MF for the win. Ritz ended up 3rd.
If you can find it, the German language broadcast is great when they finally notice Ritz and pronounce it "Dah-Tahn" and then roll the R in "Ritzenhein" a bit. On this broadcast with Dwight Stones and Lewis Johnson, the last 1000 starts at 1:17:32 on the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMyxo-JX-sg
Great minds think alike. We posted at almost the same time. Les is clueless about running, that much is certain. Dathan was NOT dropped mid race , what a load of crap.
Terrible logic on Simpson.
Who said she had to run away from the field? You need to go back to Jogging 101 as you have zero clue on international racing. She runs her own race and sticks to it.
You said" She will have to run the pace the pack is willing to run?????? Wow!!!! Just Wow!!!!
OK, here's the German language version:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x31pfnr
The video controls were a little hard to work on my computer but at 12:10 on the video (last lap) the "Dah-Tahn" comes out. I remembered the announcer rolling the "r"more than he actually did, my bad!
Go Nicene99!
A powerful performance against a pretty strong field. Jenny was there to break that record, mission accomplished.
It's a given that the Doha 3k will be won in 8:20s at least, so Simpson will just have to be able to hang with that pace, but I would assume that since her pr is 8:29, run close to her 1500m peak, and this is very early, right after an 8:35 sort of effort in the wind and solo, that she would be aiming for sub 8:30, rather than 8:25, which would be very tough to get.
This was a fine race first time out this outdoor season and tells us very little about her capacities at Doha drafting with high quality and world elite pacers.
Les goes home DEVASTATED
Mary Decker was able to set her own pace, control the pack, then still have that winning kick at the end. I think the most impressive thing about Jenny's run was the the margin of victory. For this early in the season, she had great fitness. With one lap to go, she only needed a 67 last lap, I knew that she had it.
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