Thank you! I appreciate any support, though i appreciate critics too.
At a point i was injured and i felt like running fast paces was making it worse, so i just ran a lot of moderate pace miles.
Also, it's very hot at this point in time, it's really hard to get some very fast running. I'm running career high mileage so my legs feel empty most of the time, i'm still adapting. Sunday i plan to go pretty much all out for a 5k and we will see what i can get.
Sorry, we can't all be scientists or nasa engineers. It was something i really wanted to do and i accomplished it with lots of pride.
As for you Jan, please mind your own business. How on earth you got to judge my expressions, it's something i don't know and it's totally wrong.
Also, if i screw this up and don't get to my goals, let it be, i don't need your advice. I feel it's going on smoothly and i'll be ready come 2020.
P.S : I definitely wouldn't want you as my coach, and your 'next big athletes' like Sammy N...really, that Stockholm Marathon was a total farce, i can do better than that untapered lol. Meanwhile, i recommend to get some help :)
I know what you need wrote:
I just wonder.Is this really authentic ? Not a "Romanian troll"? The only thing you will be good at is aerob strength.
You need some faster work man! Every week. And just curious , how can you afford to train fulltime? Right now you are training like the great Yuki Kawauchi, except the faster work he is doing every week (including a lot of races).
I will incorporate faster stuff, definitely. However, at times my legs feel simply shot, so it's not easy. I can afford it until Tokyo, after that i won't if i don't get a decent sponsorship.
Can the Brojos (or a mod) please bump Coach JS off this thread? I don't care about him ruining other threads with his incessant advertising/begging to coach people, but this thread is actually worth saving.
Never mind the fact that it's ridiculous a guy who claims to be a world-class coach, yet begs and begs and begs to coach ANYONE, no matter how untalented, is allowed to remain here to begin with. If the Brojos believe having a charlatan constantly post links to his "coaching" site all over the message board is a good thing, so be it.. although I wonder what they will do when more and more "coaches" decide to use the free space here to clog up the board.
Tokyolympian wrote:
As for you Jan, please mind your own business. How on earth you got to judge my expressions, it's something i don't know and it's totally wrong.
Also, if i screw this up and don't get to my goals, let it be, i don't need your advice. I feel it's going on smoothly and i'll be ready come 2020.
P.S : I definitely wouldn't want you as my coach, and your 'next big athletes' like Sammy N...really, that Stockholm Marathon was a total farce, i can do better than that untapered lol. Meanwhile, i recommend to get some help :)
Hehe! I definitely got you to a point where you exposed your "true self" now. ;)
How did you know about my runners race in Stockholm Marathon if you don`t follow my site at Facebook ???
I haven`t written about the outcome of that race here…...
Unfortunately it had been a long cold and rainy period in Kenya for several weeks before the race in Stockholm and on just that raceday the temperature was 28 + C so the heat took him . Had been interesting to see your reaction in the same race.
He is back in normal training and did his usual 20 x 400m at 63-64 sec last tuesday. With this kind of training he won Mully`s half marathon 2016 ( Can be seen at YouTube) in a time of 1.01.40 that is just 8 sec from world best ever in history at high altitude .
I don`t have to give you any advice because you have now exposed that you don`t exist as this "Romanian runner". You can troll on but I don`t think anybody believes you after this. Good day to you!
best thread here wrote:
Can the Brojos (or a mod) please bump Coach JS off this thread? I don't care about him ruining other threads with his incessant advertising/begging to coach people, but this thread is actually worth saving.
Never mind the fact that it's ridiculous a guy who claims to be a world-class coach, yet begs and begs and begs to coach ANYONE, no matter how untalented, is allowed to remain here to begin with. If the Brojos believe having a charlatan constantly post links to his "coaching" site all over the message board is a good thing, so be it.. although I wonder what they will do when more and more "coaches" decide to use the free space here to clog up the board.
This thread is not worth to be saved . It`s simply a troll thread.
SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
best thread here wrote:
Can the Brojos (or a mod) please bump Coach JS off this thread? I don't care about him ruining other threads with his incessant advertising/begging to coach people, but this thread is actually worth saving.
Never mind the fact that it's ridiculous a guy who claims to be a world-class coach, yet begs and begs and begs to coach ANYONE, no matter how untalented, is allowed to remain here to begin with. If the Brojos believe having a charlatan constantly post links to his "coaching" site all over the message board is a good thing, so be it.. although I wonder what they will do when more and more "coaches" decide to use the free space here to clog up the board.
This thread is not worth to be saved . It`s simply a troll thread.
Can you please stay away from this thread if you don't like it? I have lots of free time so i keep myself informed within the world of running, simple as that. Good day to you too! P.S : 99% of letsrunners would happily read a bad troll post rather than your 'world class coaching' thing.
Tokyolympian wrote:
SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
This thread is not worth to be saved . It`s simply a troll thread.
Can you please stay away from this thread if you don't like it? I have lots of free time so i keep myself informed within the world of running, simple as that. Good day to you too! P.S : 99% of letsrunners would happily read a bad troll post rather than your 'world class coaching' thing.
If you hadn`t write that last P.S thing I had stayed away from this troll thread. To that P.S I just have to tell about that master runner ,age 43, who read about my coaching here at LetsRun and I coached him for 2 months and he ran a PR at 5000m 15:37 down from 16:30. I know he is quite happy today that he contacted me. ;)
Just go away. You ruin every good thread. You are the worst thing on LR. Please, please, just go away.
I really don't want to be seen agreeing with Coach JS, but I think this is a troll.
It could be the case that there is a real runner who is posting this, but making up different training from that which they did complete, but I don't believe the training as it is written.
Look at Week 6:
MONDAY 30 KM @ 4:24/KM
TUESDAY 30 KM @ 3:59/KM
WEDNESDAY 30 KM @ 3:49/KM
THURSDAY 14KM @ 4:23/KM
FRIDAY HM - 1:16:08
SATURDAY 5 KM @ 4:40/KM + 1 KM in 3:28 + 1 KM in 2:57
SUNDAY HM - 1:15:21
Now instead of writing 21km for the Friday and Sunday they wrote HM. If we convert these into paces then Friday was (21.0975 km) @ 3'36.5/km, Saturday was a very easy day though with a quicker last km, then Sunday was @ 3'34.3/km pace.
Go to week 8 then we see:
WEEK 8 - 163 KM / 101 MILES
MONDAY 21 KM @ 3:58/KM
TUESDAY 28 KM @ 3:53/KM
WEDNESDAY 24 KM @ 4:10/KM
THURSDAY 30 KM @ 3:37/KM
FRIDAY 30 KM @ 3:35/KM
SATURDAY 16 KM @ 3:41/KM
SUNDAY 14 KM @ 3:57/KM
Thursday and Friday are back to back and without a rest day and 50% longer than the half marathons with the same pace.
I don't agree with other posters who are insisting that the OP needs to do doubles, but I think that any normal runner would be having hard and easy days, which this seems to lack. Unless there is more to this training which the OP is keeping hidden (e.g. these are the total times and volumes for a run, but they are broken up so a 21km @ 3'58 was in fact a 2km warm up, 5km effort, 1km jog, 5km effort, 1km jog, 5km effort, 2km warm down with the total time averaging 3'58) then this doesn't make sense
You are free to believe whatever you want, i just shared my training log here.
Some weeks i pushed harder than others, it depends on feel, weather, training schedule, etc.
I don't like going really easy, i feel i can't maintain a proper running form, 4:00-4:30/km is my easy pace. I do a lot of moderate running, to build aerobic power.
I used to run 60-70 mpw only, so a jump to a consistent 100 mpw is definitely not easy, even though some days don't seem that hard, they definitely are. Back to back fast long runs are very hard. On Sunday i'll go for a very fast 5k, i'll try go under 15 but we'll see.
DMulvee wrote:
I really don't want to be seen agreeing with Coach JS, but I think this is a troll.
It could be the case that there is a real runner who is posting this, but making up different training from that which they did complete, but I don't believe the training as it is written.
Look at Week 6:
MONDAY 30 KM @ 4:24/KM
TUESDAY 30 KM @ 3:59/KM
WEDNESDAY 30 KM @ 3:49/KM
THURSDAY 14KM @ 4:23/KM
FRIDAY HM - 1:16:08
SATURDAY 5 KM @ 4:40/KM + 1 KM in 3:28 + 1 KM in 2:57
SUNDAY HM - 1:15:21
Now instead of writing 21km for the Friday and Sunday they wrote HM. If we convert these into paces then Friday was (21.0975 km) @ 3'36.5/km, Saturday was a very easy day though with a quicker last km, then Sunday was @ 3'34.3/km pace.
Go to week 8 then we see:
WEEK 8 - 163 KM / 101 MILES
MONDAY 21 KM @ 3:58/KM
TUESDAY 28 KM @ 3:53/KM
WEDNESDAY 24 KM @ 4:10/KM
THURSDAY 30 KM @ 3:37/KM
FRIDAY 30 KM @ 3:35/KM
SATURDAY 16 KM @ 3:41/KM
SUNDAY 14 KM @ 3:57/KM
Thursday and Friday are back to back and without a rest day and 50% longer than the half marathons with the same pace.
I don't agree with other posters who are insisting that the OP needs to do doubles, but I think that any normal runner would be having hard and easy days, which this seems to lack. Unless there is more to this training which the OP is keeping hidden (e.g. these are the total times and volumes for a run, but they are broken up so a 21km @ 3'58 was in fact a 2km warm up, 5km effort, 1km jog, 5km effort, 1km jog, 5km effort, 2km warm down with the total time averaging 3'58) then this doesn't make sense
I really agree with you here. This kind of training make no sense. And the OP tells that the coach behind this is the Romanian marathon record holder at 2.12.30 . You don`t have to be a World class coach to see that this is fake. Could be interesting to see the alleged coach make a comment here.
Tokyolympian wrote:
Some weeks i pushed harder than others, it depends on feel, weather, training schedule, etc.
I used to run 60-70 mpw only, so a jump to a consistent 100 mpw is definitely not easy, even though some days don't seem that hard, they definitely are. Back to back fast long runs are very hard. On Sunday i'll go for a very fast 5k, i'll try go under 15 but we'll see.
For the first sentence, does this mean that your coach doesn't write schedules for you? Or that you speak with him and modify the schedules depending on how you feel?
For the second going from 60-70 to 100 is not easy. When I stepped up my highest mileage had been 62 miles in a week then I jumped to 114, 92, 70. Halfway through the second week I was exhausted the pace per mile of the easy runs had dropped by over 1 min/mile and I needed to back off, but then I found afterwards that 80 miles per week felt easy after doing this. But I didn't run 80 miles every week there was far greater variety.
Back to back long runs are very hard! You are using the same energy system which doesn't make sense, that is why I would expect more variety in the training.
Evdawg wrote:
Oh well somewhat ignore my previous statement but usually that's not the purpose of a 400m workout. For the marathoners that do actually do 400m workouts it's meant to boost your speed capability and not endurance at marathon pace. That's closer to the purpose of doing an up-tempo workout of something like 2x4 mile or 3x5k. If you're going to do it at that pace shouldn't you be running an extremely high volume of around 30x400 or so?
Just throwing something out there that Canova has his marathon athletes do 400m reps at marathon pace. This is during the circuit session on a track. 4-6 sets of 7 x (400m, circuit exercise) with the first 6 reps at marathon pace, and the final one at 105% marathon speed. 6' recovery between reps.
Typo! 6' recovery between sets!
Tokyolympian wrote:
You are free to believe whatever you want, i just shared my training log here.
Some weeks i pushed harder than others, it depends on feel, weather, training schedule, etc.
I don't like going really easy, i feel i can't maintain a proper running form, 4:00-4:30/km is my easy pace. I do a lot of moderate running, to build aerobic power.
I used to run 60-70 mpw only, so a jump to a consistent 100 mpw is definitely not easy, even though some days don't seem that hard, they definitely are. Back to back fast long runs are very hard. On Sunday i'll go for a very fast 5k, i'll try go under 15 but we'll see.
Just an advice for your trolling.....LoL. Don`t write that you did your Time trial 5 k faster than 15 min. Why? Because that also
gives that you right now are capable of a sub 31 min 10k ( Your alleged PR at 10 k is 30.24 I think you write) without almost any training at that pace.
Further that you write you did 30 km on consecutive days at 3.35-3.37 min/ km gives pace for a marathon back to back in around 2.31 done by a runner with a PR 2.33 !!
At last; " I used to run 60-70 mpw only,so a jump to a consistent 100 mpw is definitely not easy…." ,you write. Well, It`s not only difficult to do such a big jump in mileage, It`s also simply crazy. It`s like begging for the injury to come.
SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
Tokyolympian wrote:
You are free to believe whatever you want, i just shared my training log here.
Some weeks i pushed harder than others, it depends on feel, weather, training schedule, etc.
I don't like going really easy, i feel i can't maintain a proper running form, 4:00-4:30/km is my easy pace. I do a lot of moderate running, to build aerobic power.
I used to run 60-70 mpw only, so a jump to a consistent 100 mpw is definitely not easy, even though some days don't seem that hard, they definitely are. Back to back fast long runs are very hard. On Sunday i'll go for a very fast 5k, i'll try go under 15 but we'll see.
Just an advice for your trolling.....LoL. Don`t write that you did your Time trial 5 k faster than 15 min. Why? Because that also
gives that you right now are capable of a sub 31 min 10k ( Your alleged PR at 10 k is 30.24 I think you write) without almost any training at that pace.
Further that you write you did 30 km on consecutive days at 3.35-3.37 min/ km gives pace for a marathon back to back in around 2.31 done by a runner with a PR 2.33 !!
At last; " I used to run 60-70 mpw only,so a jump to a consistent 100 mpw is definitely not easy…." ,you write. Well, It`s not only difficult to do such a big jump in mileage, It`s also simply crazy. It`s like begging for the injury to come.
Jan, it wasn't a straightforaward jump, it was incremental, but still in a short span of time. I'm okay, i'm in control of my body. I improved a lot this year, i feel like if i taper i can take down my PR. My marathon PR is a farce, i will destroy it come October, regardless of the conditions 2:19 is almost conservative.
Maybe after all this training works indeed very well. I always talk to my coach and he writes the training for me. Sometimes i run a bit different if i feel well or not, but nothing significant. I don't think i will break 15 after a 100 mile week, in +20C weather all by myself, but i feel like i can come close, i can't wait to prove you wrong and qualify for Tokyo. It's coming, i feel it.
Tokyolympian wrote:
SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
Just an advice for your trolling.....LoL. Don`t write that you did your Time trial 5 k faster than 15 min. Why? Because that also
gives that you right now are capable of a sub 31 min 10k ( Your alleged PR at 10 k is 30.24 I think you write) without almost any training at that pace.
Further that you write you did 30 km on consecutive days at 3.35-3.37 min/ km gives pace for a marathon back to back in around 2.31 done by a runner with a PR 2.33 !!
At last; " I used to run 60-70 mpw only,so a jump to a consistent 100 mpw is definitely not easy…." ,you write. Well, It`s not only difficult to do such a big jump in mileage, It`s also simply crazy. It`s like begging for the injury to come.
Jan, it wasn't a straightforaward jump, it was incremental, but still in a short span of time. I'm okay, i'm in control of my body. I improved a lot this year, i feel like if i taper i can take down my PR. My marathon PR is a farce, i will destroy it come October, regardless of the conditions 2:19 is almost conservative.
Maybe after all this training works indeed very well. I always talk to my coach and he writes the training for me. Sometimes i run a bit different if i feel well or not, but nothing significant. I don't think i will break 15 after a 100 mile week, in +20C weather all by myself, but i feel like i can come close, i can't wait to prove you wrong and qualify for Tokyo. It's coming, i feel it.
"Maybe after all this training works indeed very well. I always talk to my coach and he writes the training for me. "
There is absolutely no coach with experience of elite marathon running(a marathon PR 2.12.30 ) that would ever propose such a training schedule.
WEEK 11 - 172 KM / 107 MILES
MONDAY AM - 7 KM @ 3:13/KM ; PM - 22 KM @ 4:12/KM
TUESDAY AM - 10 KM @ 3:19/KM ; PM - 17 KM @ 4:18/KM
WEDNESDAY HM - 1:14:21
THURSDAY 30 KM @ 3:54/KM
FRIDAY 32 KM @ 4:09/KM
SATURDAY 16 KM @ 4:12/KM
SUNDAY 5 KM - 15:01 ( SPLITS : 2:55, 2:58, 3:02, 3:04, 3:02 ) + 12 KM @ 3:58/KM ( after a 10 min rest ) - conditions +19C, light to moderate wind.
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