crosscounts wrote:
Would the rules be the same if she, or another woman from wave 1, had won the whole thing? Would they be denied the prize money?
That would seem horribly unfair to me and an easy way out for the BAA or whoever pays the first place prize money.
*FLYCHESTER.
She would have passed through the finish line 20 minutes after the winner broke the tape. Women starting in wave 1 had a HUGE advantage over elite women start. None of these non-elite women would have placed anywhere near as good as they did if they ran the elite women start!
Seeing as how the elite men don't have this issue since they simply start at the front of wave 1 (and therefore this issue doesn't arise), why not just have the elite women also start in wave 1. The BAA should give the award to her, she ran it in that time legitimately (and especially if she was denied entry to the elite field) as Chicago did for Korir. Doesn't Chicago have a mass start for both genders, no separate races? A race is a race, I'd like to see the separate starts for elite women go away.
All the bros wrote:
Surprised no one has mentioned that she is coached by her brother who she calls Brochester
I just can't wait for Alex Chichester's debut Boston marathon. I'm predicting the win from him in 2024.
Of course she would be denied wrote:
She would have passed through the finish line 20 minutes after the winner broke the tape. Women starting in wave 1 had a HUGE advantage over elite women start. None of these non-elite women would have placed anywhere near as good as they did if they ran the elite women start!
People in the mass run field always run SLOWER than usual, specifically because of the crowds.
LoveMarathons wrote:
Seeing as how the elite men don't have this issue since they simply start at the front of wave 1 (and therefore this issue doesn't arise), why not just have the elite women also start in wave 1. The BAA should give the award to her, she ran it in that time legitimately (and especially if she was denied entry to the elite field) as Chicago did for Korir. Doesn't Chicago have a mass start for both genders, no separate races? A race is a race, I'd like to see the separate starts for elite women go away.
I agree 100 percent.
Her Title is Winner 2018 Womans Amateur Division
Maybe 3000-4000 places back. Up at the front it is a lot less crowded. Chichester had an extra 300+ men to draft/pace off of vs. anyone in the elite womens field. It may not make much of a difference on a mild day, but not being strung out in no-mans-land with 25+ mph headwinds from miles 20-26 makes a HUGE difference. You can't deny that.
Total nonsense wrote:
People in the mass run field always run SLOWER than usual, specifically because of the crowds.
what a crock of poo
do you really believe that?
There are folks with PR's set at Boston... mine was in 1991
LoveMarathons wrote:
Seeing as how the elite men don't have this issue since they simply start at the front of wave 1 (and therefore this issue doesn't arise), why not just have the elite women also start in wave 1. The BAA should give the award to her, she ran it in that time legitimately (and especially if she was denied entry to the elite field) as Chicago did for Korir. Doesn't Chicago have a mass start for both genders, no separate races? A race is a race, I'd like to see the separate starts for elite women go away.
A reasonable solution, but it lowers the quality of the women's race for both the audience and competitors.
How about extending the women's elite field to include wave 1/corral 1 women and change the start to 8:00 am? The leading women would finish about 1/2 hour into the men's race (so we are less likely to miss the break) and with a 2 hour head start, all (or at least, nearly all) of the women should be off the course when the leading men finish.
The extreme example mentioned above is the "invitational" vs. seeded section of a 1500m. Just because I run 3:45 in a time-trial style race in the seeded section doesn't mean that I should be eligible to be the "invitational" champion if they only run 3:50 in a sit-and-kick race (e.g. the Olympic Final where Centrowitz won). Everyone knows that I'm running 3:55-3:58 in that race and getting spit out the back on the last lap.
Obviously the difference isn't quite so huge in the 1st wave vs. elite women's field, but the principal still stands. They are running different races and it's fair that she didn't win the prize money for the race that she didn't run. As a show of good faith, the Marathon could certainly give her additional prize money like Korir got from Chicago in 2008 and that wouldn't be unreasonable (but isn't necessary).
Who caressss.... stupid topic... would of finshed like 50th overall in a Solid normal boston... big deal, wippie.
And you would HAVE known how to spell, but that hasn't happened either...
chucka chucka chuckalo, uh oh spaghettios
chuckalo biffinstrips will win 2024
alex chi top 10
uyrtuyrf wrote:
All about the standard wrote:
5th place Jessica Chichester will miss out on 2020 US OT Marathon by 23 seconds.
That's gotta hurt. Fair?
2:45:23 in pouring rain and a 25 mph headwind suggests she will have no problem running the OTQ on a different course and different day sometime in the next year and a half. Most likely she will even run the A standard.
She may do OQ either in Berlin or CIM per the Dashing Whippets blog:
http://www.dashingwhippets.org/2018/03/21/whippet-wednesday-jessica-chichester/I once knew a Chichester who became a Rockefeller like literally overnight. These people can't be trustet.
From The Depths Of Hell
seconded wrote:
Yes, I agree wrote:
+10
LoveMarathons wrote:
Seeing as how the elite men don't have this issue since they simply start at the front of wave 1 (and therefore this issue doesn't arise), why not just have the elite women also start in wave 1. The BAA should give the award to her, she ran it in that time legitimately (and especially if she was denied entry to the elite field) as Chicago did for Korir. Doesn't Chicago have a mass start for both genders, no separate races? A race is a race, I'd like to see the separate starts for elite women go away.
Wasn't it the Las Vegas that had this issue a few years back when a male runner, Wesley Korir?, won from the mass start? I think they ended up paying both him and the elite he beat for the spot the prize money.
I think that is the right thing to do. 15K is chump change to BAA.
What time did you run during your last marathon? How about the last one you ran during a hurricane?! It is not ok in the year 2018 for an event to allow non-elite males to participate in prize money while the non-elite women in this SAME EVENT are essentially second class citizens.
Total nonsense wrote:
Of course she would be denied wrote:
She would have passed through the finish line 20 minutes after the winner broke the tape. Women starting in wave 1 had a HUGE advantage over elite women start. None of these non-elite women would have placed anywhere near as good as they did if they ran the elite women start!
People in the mass run field always run SLOWER than usual, specifically because of the crowds.
I think its less that she ran faster because she had a HUGE advantage over the elite women, and more that the elite women struggled with the weather.
MAYBE Shalane Flanagan tucks in behind her and outkicks her at the end. You can't possibly believe all those Africans DNF's because Chichester wasn't there to block the wind for them.
I've run many races. I can draft almost as well behind two people as I can in a group. If she started in the Women's group, or if all the Women ran with Wave 1, I'd say the worst she gets is 8th.