All the witnesses are saying the two men did nothing wrong.
All the witnesses are saying the two men did nothing wrong.
Jetagimath wrote:
All the witnesses are saying the two men did nothing wrong.
All the witnesses seem not to know that tresspassing is a wrong.
The "right" I am referring to is the cops' right to arrest, if they had it.
There is no way the guys were "aware" of the relevant provisions of the criminal statute.
Further, it has not been established by any means whatsoever that there was racial bias on the part of the manager.
Tarbucks doesn't actively encourage "loitering", but it does provide a comfortable place for its customers to remain for extended periods of time. Loitering is what non-customers do when they hang around. Tarbucks does not actively encourage non-customers to use its premises.
Having said that, "plenty of folk", of whatever race, hang around Tarbucks, whether they are customers or not.
Once you have seen some of the Tarbucks in a place like Paris, this episode becomes incomprehensible and laughable. In Paris, dozens, and I have seen maybe close to 100, students pack into those places. Maybe a few of them buy something, but the rest are there to hang out. There are so many people in those places that nobody needs the washroom code, because there is a continuous stream of people going in and out, and you go in before the door has closed. In fact it is a courtesy among people to hold the door open for others.
Of course, none of that matters in this situation.
I am on neither side, because we just don't have enough facts to make any kind of an intelligent determination, nor can we rely on the guys, on the cops, on the employees, or on the DA to have made an intelligent determination.
Maybe somebody will post a link to more verified facts about the incident.
Really Bro wrote:
Maybe SB shouldn't hire refugees? wrote:
In any event, they were told to leave, by Starbucks and then police, but didn't. Very definition of trespassing. Story will probably roll out more in the days to come. Wouldn't surprise me if it ain't a "Rosa Parks" sort of setup, funded by bigly agitators.
The Rosa Parks incident triggered a boycotted of racist policies of Montgomery busses. As a Negro, I've never been told to find the colored section of Starbucks.
I don't get it. As a Negro, I fear all interactions with policeman. The very second the barista threatened to call the cops, I would have left.
All these wypeepo say they go to Starbucks all the time and use the bathroom without buying anything. What is wrong with them? You go to a store, you buy something.
Maybe the problem is the black don't ever go to Starbucks, so the blacks don't know where the bathroom is. They had to ask directions to the bathroom. That is the problem. Poop first, ask questions later. Notice they were meeting a white guy. For sure the white guy picked where to meet.
We'll see where this ends up. I really don't like how the mayor blames Starbucks instead of the cops for the incident. Isn't that part of the mayor's responsibility?
I have not heard anyone under the age of 60 use the word "Negro" in a long time.
(Many Starbucks have a bathroom code for the door thus they had to ask).
zxcvxcvzxc wrote:
Very strange, given that Starbucks' bathrooms are used constantly by non-customers. As for not ordering before the third person came, that is totally conventional, because it is rude to get your drinks before the other people show up, especially at a meeting at a coffee shop.
So Emily Post is at fault...
moist wrote:
Me, myself, and I wrote:
If they do have that right, then so be it. The "realtors'" ignorance of the law is no excuse for their actions, and no justification for their hurt feelings.
Not true in the least. The realtors likely were at least aware of the law, but were more aware of the racial bias being demonstrated by the Starbucks manager.
Here's the thing: Starbucks encourages loitering. Free wifi, couches, and an atmosphere that invites one to simply come in and read a book or hang out with friends. Starbucks has a long history of allowing people to "hang out" without purchasing anything at all. College students do this all the time.
Now, stop to question why these 2 black men were asked to leave. Then maybe you'll understand their hurt feelings and refusal to be tossed out when plenty of white folk do exactly what they did every single day. Those white folk don't get tossed out, and they don't need white people with cameras to bring awareness to their non-existent racist encounters.
I am in a Starbucks almost every Sunday (post run coffee debrief) and have noticed a pretty dramatic change in the furniture. Far fewer comfy seats than 2 years ago.
I think the 15 minutes is a pretty quick trigger on calling the cops. Maybe they were the 20th people who had been in that week and just sat. I have no idea.
What I really like is the over-reaction of the CEO. One manager makes a poor decision and the entire company has to undergo "re-education"?
Onlything worse than being Black in USA, is black + conservative.
Cops are always available at coffee joints wrote:
The viral video, posted to Twitter by a woman sitting in the shop, shows police speaking to -- and then arresting -- two men that the woman says were simply sitting in the Starbucks waiting for a third member of their party before ordering coffee.
The woman, author Melissa DePino, told media that both men were sitting at a table for less than 15 minutes before store employees called the cops. Both men left the store peacefully, but in handcuffs. Their friend, DePino reported, showed up around the same time the police did.
The men were finally released from custody hours later, according to DePino, who added that the pair were real estate brokers who were there for a friendly meeting.
Philadelphia's police commissioner said that his officers were doing "nothing wrong," and merely following the direction of Starbucks employees, who said the men were trespassing, and claimed both men had asked to use the bathroom but hadn't purchased a drink.
My wife was once asked to leave a shoe store. She literally had no idea why. She left the store and told me when she got home. I went to the store and asked why she was asked to leave. The obstinate store clerk would not give a reason, and instead called the cops. We decided to live and let live, and leave the store (and not shop there again).
If my wife and I were black, then we could have refused to leave, put up a viral video, and tried to ruin the business. Fortunately, our anecdotal evidence doesn't carry any weight. I guess we just have to struggle along, carrying the only weight we have - our burden of white privilege.
I tell this story to demonstrate how decent people behave, even when they are faced with an apparent misunderstanding or injustice. But for those who have not been brainwashed with a fake ideology that the world is against them, they behave just like their race-baiting leaders have trained them to behave. But the real bad actors in this starbucks situation are, as always, the media, who want to perpetuate a certain narrative of discontent.
Honestly, when are people going to get tired of this nonsense?
"Black privilege gets me free coffee. I love racism. Only in America," posted Sharpe, adding a #StarbucksChallenge hashtag to another tweet.
celery wrote:
My wife was once asked to leave a shoe store. She literally had no idea why. She left the store and told me when she got home. I went to the store and asked why she was asked to leave. The obstinate store clerk would not give a reason, and instead called the cops. We decided to live and let live, and leave the store (and not shop there again).
If my wife and I were black, then we could have refused to leave, put up a viral video, and tried to ruin the business. Fortunately, our anecdotal evidence doesn't carry any weight. I guess we just have to struggle along, carrying the only weight we have - our burden of white privilege.
I tell this story to demonstrate how decent people behave, even when they are faced with an apparent misunderstanding or injustice. But for those who have not been brainwashed with a fake ideology that the world is against them, they behave just like their race-baiting leaders have trained them to behave. But the real bad actors in this starbucks situation are, as always, the media, who want to perpetuate a certain narrative of discontent.
Honestly, when are people going to get tired of this nonsense?
Gist of Celery's narrative: black people falsely concoct all accounts of racism.
In which era can we agree whites in USA are or were racist? In your mind Celery were whites ever racist in USA? Give us a date Celery. When were your white relatives racists Celery?
50+ posts on Starbucks toilets?? wrote:
Whomever started this troll thread did it really well.
Luv2Run wrote:
[quote]zxcvxcvzxc wrote:
Very strange, given that Starbucks' bathrooms are used constantly by non-customers. As for not ordering before the third person came, that is totally conventional, because it is rude to get your drinks before the other people show up, especially at a meeting at a coffee shop.
So Emily Post is at fault...
There were no other crimes worthy of the cops attention that day?
You know it takes a half day to book and process these incidents.
How many murders or other felonies went on at the same time that were ignored?
They couldn't have just gone outside and written them a ticket or notice to appear in court?
The whole thing is such a crock.
The CEO is all high and mighty, but he doesn't work in a store where there is a big homeless population and deal with it every day.
Smelling up a corner where nobody can sit, tying up the bathroom doing god knows what then an employee has to clean it, harassing customers for handouts. Deal with that every day and see how tolerant you are.
Then you also have the people that tie up space daily and never buy anything.That manager knows exactly how that location works.
Won't even get into the different cultural aspects of some. Each store is different and until anyone spends time there, they have no basis to criticize the decisions made by the workers there.
Jack Ass wrote:
celery wrote:
My wife was once asked to leave a shoe store. She literally had no idea why. She left the store and told me when she got home. I went to the store and asked why she was asked to leave. The obstinate store clerk would not give a reason, and instead called the cops. We decided to live and let live, and leave the store (and not shop there again).
If my wife and I were black, then we could have refused to leave, put up a viral video, and tried to ruin the business. Fortunately, our anecdotal evidence doesn't carry any weight. I guess we just have to struggle along, carrying the only weight we have - our burden of white privilege.
I tell this story to demonstrate how decent people behave, even when they are faced with an apparent misunderstanding or injustice. But for those who have not been brainwashed with a fake ideology that the world is against them, they behave just like their race-baiting leaders have trained them to behave. But the real bad actors in this starbucks situation are, as always, the media, who want to perpetuate a certain narrative of discontent.
Honestly, when are people going to get tired of this nonsense?
Gist of Celery's narrative: black people falsely concoct all accounts of racism.
In which era can we agree whites in USA are or were racist? In your mind Celery were whites ever racist in USA? Give us a date Celery. When were your white relatives racists Celery?
I know that I'm not racist. I'm fairly certain that all of the close relatives whom I know well, are not racist. I won't speculate on the racism of anyone else because I don't pretend to be a mind reader. If I ever meet professor Xavier, I'll ask him for you.
As for "whites" in the USA, in all of history, I don't presume to be able to read their minds either. And I don't label them all as racist. Some were clearly racist, but many of them were radical abolitionists. Labeling them all racist, just because they were of European ancestry and lived in the USA, would be prejudicial, (or to use another term, racist).
Please learn some history, or at least read any book by Thomas Sowell.
I don't need you to tell me to learn history or read T. Sowell. In light of two black males being arrested in PA, you felt you needed to tell us about the one time a clerk wasn't nice to your wife. In context of the recent arrests of two men, you implied black people imagine racism. I know way more about Sowell than you know about Sowell. He was a hard left economist as a young man. Sowell felt he needed to earn a living. To gain employment in GOP think tanks, Sowell had to walk the walk. Give us more accounts of store clerks being mean to your wife.
Jack Ass wrote:
I don't need you to tell me to learn history or read T. Sowell. In light of two black males being arrested in PA, you felt you needed to tell us about the one time a clerk wasn't nice to your wife. In context of the recent arrests of two men, you implied black people imagine racism. I know way more about Sowell than you know about Sowell. He was a hard left economist as a young man. Sowell felt he needed to earn a living. To gain employment in GOP think tanks, Sowell had to walk the walk. Give us more accounts of store clerks being mean to your wife.
Hahahah. So Thomas Sowell doesn't really believe the things he's written in over 40 books? He's dedicated his life to elaborating on empirical evidence regarding history and economics, and you say it's just a ruse to serve his white masters in the GOP. Do you not think a black man is incapable of honestly having the opinions of Thomas Sowell? Are you making a character judgment about Sowell based on his skin color? Now whose being racist?
And since you infer that my wife's experience as insignificant, THAT'S MY POINT! My wife's experience, just like the experience of the two men in PA, is anecdotal evidence that doesn't prove anything about racism in America. Are some people racist? Sure. Is America a racist country? Not by a long shot. We got rid of all overtly racist laws over 50 years ago. White America elected a black president twice. If there are any laws that do adversely affect minorities, they are the product of misguided progressive plans that hurt the very people they attempt to help. For example, higher minimum wage laws lead to greater disparities in unemployment between young blacks and young whites. In other words, minimum wage hurts black kids more than it hurts white kids. If there is any white privilege, it is the result of idiotic progressive laws that totally ignore empirical economic data.
America in 2018 is the most non-racist, tolerant, and prosperous society in modern history. If you can't see that, you are like an ungrateful kid at a birthday party who just opened up 2 dozen presents, and starts crying because there aren't any more to open. Anyone who is trying to stir up racial animosity in 2018 is trying to sow hate and discontent between different groups of people, where the individuals in each group have never themselves done any harm to the other group. Race baiting in 2018 is the devils work. I don't pretend it is anything but a misguided and evil attempt to bring violence and hatred into our otherwise peaceful and tolerant society.
And yes, I know that T. Sowell used to be a Marxist. When asked what changed his mind, his answer is simple, "Facts."
https://www.google.com/search?q=thomas+sowell+dave+rubin+meme&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiB7c-4jcXaAhUFw4MKHbtaDV0Q_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=985#imgrc=5g3SdEnFUXctyM:&spf=1524098525228Why hasn't the internal security video been "leaked" to media? Only the citizen reporter so far? StarBs likely facing YUGE lawsuits!!!
they claimed that they asked a barista for the code to the bathroom and were told they could not have it because they had not yet purchased anything; they then allegedly sat down in the Starbucks while waiting for a business meeting, but were accosted by a manager asking them if they would purchase anything.
Know The Code wrote:
Why hasn't the internal security video been "leaked" to media? Only the citizen reporter so far?
StarBs likely facing YUGE lawsuits!!!
they claimed that they asked a barista for the code to the bathroom and were told they could not have it because they had not yet purchased anything; they then allegedly sat down in the Starbucks while waiting for a business meeting, but were accosted by a manager asking them if they would purchase anything.
Clearly video would disprove "racism" charge. But it wouldn't fit MSM narrative that SB execs prefer. So they "sacrifice" this Philly SJW barista, to serve their masters.
https://twitter.com/mollyfprince/status/986992060820525056Holly to 911: "I have two gentlemen in my cafe that are refusing to make a purchase or leave.” This is significant because it confirms that the men were given the option to at least buy something and, incredibly, they refused.
Not going to tip neither wrote:
Simply sitting... wrote:
two men were simply sitting in the Starbucks waiting for a third member of their party before ordering coffee.
Probably weren't even going to order even when he/she arrived.
Just wanted the atmosphere and pee provisions.
Can't be sure, but you may be on to the whole crux of the matter. If so, I say, Crucify them!!
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