Oops, looks like 64:59 is more like 3:04/3:05. Really think you should maybe consider that; if it doesn't work out you would be basically getting in a real hard medium long run and working on your speed as well
Oops, looks like 64:59 is more like 3:04/3:05. Really think you should maybe consider that; if it doesn't work out you would be basically getting in a real hard medium long run and working on your speed as well
Sage did the right thing. I finished but only because family friends were watching. I wanted to DNF at mile 24. Yes, mile 24. I did serious damage to myself finishing at death march pace. Serious damage to my running outlook too, may never run a marathon ever again.
I bet it is one person constantly harping on Sage on these boards.
Dropping at mile 18 was smart. Regroup and save it for another day.
Just throwing it out there wrote:
Sage, you ever think of trying to OTQ through a sub 65 half? I know speed isn't your strength so to speak but based on that 15k you did, with more specific training don't you think you can hold 3:06/km for 6 more km?
fyi, you need a sub-64 half to get the OTQ for 2020.
Why don't you wait for Sage's race recap before shitting on him anonymously? Kind of pointless to speculate before knowing what was going on. In any case, for a professional runner it is not a good idea to finish a race whatever it takes. Unless it's your last race.
You are correct that you donated it. I apologise for the misinformation. However, don't you think you could have taken a different approach? You have big connections as an elite runner. You could have worked with the race directors and proposed raising money for charity or for some worthy cause. Or you could have given your reward to hoka one one for them to display. I've also seen other people donate their stuff to running stores. In my opinion just giving away your award was a huge slap in the face to those who organized the race and for the other runners that competed. Sure you could argue it's just a trophy. And sure you could argue it's your decision to do whatever you feel like doing with what you get. But I think you could have taken a different approach. That reward has some meaning to some people (race directors and other competitors). You seem like a smart guy and this just disappointed the hell out of me man.
or you could, you know, just STFU
Family guy runner wrote:
Sage did the right thing. I finished but only because family friends were watching. I wanted to DNF at mile 24. Yes, mile 24. I did serious damage to myself finishing at death march pace. Serious damage to my running outlook too, may never run a marathon ever again.
I bet it is one person constantly harping on Sage on these boards.
Dropping at mile 18 was smart. Regroup and save it for another day.
As an ultrarunner, Sage was likely more fit and prepared than you. Doubtful he would have done any long-term damage. And what's wrong with harping on a topic? That's what these forums are for. Questioning and critiquing things related to running. I've yet to see anything malicious.
I peed in your cheerios this morning. Figured a piece of trash like yourself wouldn't mind.
There is another trail guy who went for OTQ. He missed it , but still finished the race. This guy has faster times than sage (pikes peak ascent). Kudos to Joe Gray, who also did try at world half championships a few weeks ago to get it there
Lots of bad info in this thread.
Sage does not make a lot of money from YouTube. He doesn't have the traffic or right videos for monetization.
He was slowing well before hypothermia set in. He was behind pace at the 10k mark. Barely on pace at 5k.
It wasnt freezing temperatures. It was a cold wet day. But let's not go crazy. It wasn't polar vortex.
I personally think choosing Boston was an awful idea from the start. Weather is too unpredictable.
Jjjjjjjjjjj wrote:
Lots of bad info in this thread.
Sage does not make a lot of money from YouTube. He doesn't have the traffic or right videos for monetization.
He was slowing well before hypothermia set in. He was behind pace at the 10k mark. Barely on pace at 5k.
It wasnt freezing temperatures. It was a cold wet day. But let's not go crazy. It wasn't polar vortex.
I personally think choosing Boston was an awful idea from the start. Weather is too unpredictable.
But then again, why was he not sporting the high end ultra gear his sponsors make for the world's most gruelling conditions?
Jjjjjjjjjjj wrote:
Sage does not make a lot of money from YouTube. He doesn't have the traffic or right videos for monetization.
I personally think choosing Boston was an awful idea from the start. Weather is too unpredictable.
He has 100,000 followers. People make money on you tube channels with far less than that. Like the crazy lady who actually went in and shot up YouTube... she never had many followers but made enough money to get pissed off when they cut her off.
The awful idea is broader than Boston, it was pointlessly trying to meet the OTQ standard when he's a ultra-runner who's ultra career could seriously benefit by him concentrating on the task at hand - winning ultras. Does he want to win ultra races for his sponsors or be a B level marathon runner who has no hope of making the Olympics?
I can see maybe overall for his coaching (perhaps pride) he wants to add credibility that he can be a fast "real" runner (still), it looks good on a resume etc., but, he's made his choice now, he's a ultra trail runner, he should just go with that and be successful at that. Win some races, finish a 100 miler, etc. Unless he wants to run another marathon in the next 4 weeks, time to focus on what he really does.
I think having an OTQ makes you more marketable if your career is in running
Zuz wrote:
or you could, you know, just STFU
+1
S. Canaday wrote:
sorry typo there *MedalsForMettle
With average weather, you definitely would have been right on target. That weather was horrendous and you did the right thing. Run BayShore or Grandma's, you'll still get the sub 2:19, I'm convinced of it.
The training was there, just a matter of having a decent day weather wise. Don't let the trash on here bother you, it's nothing but unhappy people who want others to be unhappy too. Good luck regrouping and going after it again, you can do it!
Jjjjjjjjjjj wrote:
I personally think choosing Boston was an awful idea from the start. Weather is too unpredictable.
I think he either shouldn’t have started, or if he did, try to finish... Give the condition yesterday it absolutely made no sense to go for OTQ... Still, completely understand why he dropped and don’t blame him for it... Hypothermia sucks and is real.
He is a good guy, I like his content on YouTube, lots of good info. Respect Sage!!!
Just throwing it out there wrote:
Oops, looks like 64:59 is more like 3:04/3:05. Really think you should maybe consider that; if it doesn't work out you would be basically getting in a real hard medium long run and working on your speed as well
I think your math off buddy... 65 half is more like 2:16-17 marathon;)
Sage did try the half route. Didn't work.
The question is, why TF did he take his jacket off? Did he think he was going to magically warm up, or that he was better than the entire elite field??
Actually I really only really tired the half route in earnest in 2011...and it did work. I qualified for the 2012 Trials with a 64:32. I know I don't have a sub 64:00 in my anymore (or ever)...not as specific to marathons. So 2:19:00 is an easier standard. Still I bet less than 100 American guys will run under 2:19:00 by 2020 on certified courses....less will actually be able to do it at the Trials race. I took my jacket off (mistake) because I thought it was catching the wind like a parachute (too much drag). It was a gear mistake that I admit to making. The first 3 miles weren't that bad and it didn't feel as cold in Hopkinton....later on when the rain was coming down hard and the 25mph headwind hits it got worse. Don't worry (for those of you that care to follow along) I will have e youtube video up soon explaining all of these things. [AND....it you don't like them nobody is forcing you to watch them (or even follow me on social media)] Interesting stats (from LetsRun): 95% of the field at Boston finished. 60% of the "pro field" dropped out. It was really tough for me. My body was totally shutting down.
Ndnjdjjjfj wrote:
Sage did try the half route. Didn't work.