Should Desi have spoken up about Ritz, when that may reflect badly on her own group?

Bruhbruh wrote:

crumpet wrote:

She should have kept her mouth shut.

Her comment contributes nothing to the company who is supporting her, and actively casts aspersions on a business partner.

And previous posters are right. Who tf is she?

Seriously? If you dont know who Desi is, you probably haven’t followed the sport for the past decade.

That being said, I agree that the team’s sponsors can’t be happy that she’s throwing shade at her teammate. It just creates drama within a training group.

Yeah, we know who she is.

Not impressed with her mouth or her performances lately, nor, like ever.

Bite the hand that feeds, lose fans, lose $.

Might as well join Grouchy Goucher.

.....But of course, Goucher knew Dr Brown, just like Ritz!

Desi who?

Who cares.

Anyone have a link to what she said. The main link is now "link not found".

Or maybe she hates on the doped Up Ritz that is coming in begging for money and a chance to continue for another 2 years. You don’t go 12:58 and 1:00:00 off of power aid and Cheerios. Maybe she’s like ..I’m going to force my spineless sponsor to look themselves in the preverbal mirror and actually admit the addition of Ritz was not a good move.

Or maybe she's over playing her over inflated, over hyped, over emotional, sense of importance in the running world.

Whining isn't virtuous.

It's Bitchy.

The hypocrisy on this board is amazing. Read the leaked USADA report for the Texas Meducal board. Dathan admitted he broke the rules. Yes, he was pressured by sleazy, but he did it. They all did. Yes, L-Carnatine is legal. But it sure as hell isnt when you inject bags of it into your veins. Did any of you assholes read the report? Sleazy emailed freaking Lance Armstrong to tell him how good this stuff was. Keep putting your heads in the sand and blasting people like Des, Kara, Steve, and Shalane for speaking the truth. You are losers who don’t give a true crap about our sport. Why would anyone come forward when they have to put up with this crap from a bunch of losers on here? What the hell have you guys done? Have you lost majors to cheaters? Had coach’s try to get you to dope? Get some freaking respect or get the hell out of our sport.

She violated a golden rule: If you don't have anything nice to say - just keep your mouth shut. And her statements will hurt her and her own reputation more than it will Ritz and the NOP crew. It's so easy to say "I have no comment or opinion about the NOP allegations." That's all she has to say. She could also just say "I have no comment or opinion to share regarding Ritz in our training group. Next question." Easy.

Also - just noticed that she is not supportive of NOP until they are "cleared of the allegations." So in her mind, they are guilty until proven innocent.

Much props to Bill Rodgers and others who are taking the opposite view: one is innocent until proven guilty. Given that Rupp, Hasay, Ritz have never failed a PED test, I would say they are innocent, and have not been proven guilty.

rumor mill 2012 wrote:

I heard from a former Hanson member in 2012 the coaches were encouraging taking oral L-Carnitine. The rumor at the time was that Salazar’s group was injecting L-Carnitine, which technically is not an illegal substance or illegal means up to a point (50ml every 6 hrs?).

The point is- don’t think for a second the Hanson group isn’t pushing the grey zone too on legal supplements and methods. Desi is probably pissed and questioning that Dathan was injecting it. However, even he was questioning what they were doing and was likely pressured into doing it. She’s no longer the big fish in the pond. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

Desi's trips to Kenya where she was living in the hotbed of EPO use have been talked about.

Looking for a way to get to the next level with plenty of altitude opportunities in the US.

She should be asked....

LRC: Muir says he won't talk to Dibaba due to solo allegation, but won't say anything about Sir Mo; what a hypocrite!

Also LRC: Desi shouldn't have said anything about Ritz. I hope she spontaneously combusts on the streets of Boston, that'll teach her to keep her mouth shut!

I was shocked to read this thread and have lost a great deal of respect for Ms. Linden.

Last night I had the pleasure of listening to both Keith and Kevin speak to a large group in an event sponsored by Brooks an Marathon Sports here in Boston. Both of them praised Desi for her hard work and abilities as an athlete. Kevin called Ms. Linden the smartest marathoner on the planet. Meanwhile elsewhere in town she is taking shots at her coaches and teammates is disgusting.

Not very classy and certainly not a good look.

Dunno who you are....but you're a baller. Thank you for speaking truth.

FlashInThePan...Well, NoFlashReally wrote:

Bruhbruh wrote:

Seriously? If you dont know who Desi is, you probably haven’t followed the sport for the past decade.

That being said, I agree that the team’s sponsors can’t be happy that she’s throwing shade at her teammate. It just creates drama within a training group.

Yeah, we know who she is.

Not impressed with her mouth or her performances lately, nor, like ever.

Bite the hand that feeds, lose fans, lose $.

Might as well join Grouchy Goucher.

.....But of course, Goucher knew Dr Brown, just like Ritz!

Desi who?

Who cares.

We call this the pity train , as Kara at the end of her career these athletes"Desi" get bitter and nasty.

Casting blame and not taking accountability for just getting older and slower and with aids your using as they are no longer are providing the benefit as years past.

Fame is fleeting and tough to swallow when you are no longer the one.

NOP is an easy low hanging fruit, truth be told none of them have been busted for anything, zero.

Assumptions make you look desperate or a wannabe know it all with no factual basis.

Desi may not like Jordan but at the end of the day, ifJordan just runs fast forget the finish, she will maybe have the two fastest combined times ever run by an American on the course.

NOP is not low hanging fruit.

A HIGH number of former athletes, physio's, coaches and Nike employees have gone ON RECORD saying illegal activity happened. It is at the point now where if you do not acknowledge this you are dumb or you have not looked into the facts and are speaking from an uninformed opinion. That is okay, but you choose to only listen to Nike's PR responses, so admit that to yourself.

"Not getting caught" is inaccurate argument if you look at the history of major drug busts (Barry Bonds, Lance, Marion Jones, Regina Jacobs). Recently, James Aden was FOUND with needles and drugs in his hotel, the Spanish police have surveillance of Coach Aden throwing garbage bags filled with used needles out BUT technically he is still "not caught". So by your argument, Coach Aden, like Coach Salazar is simply being picked on because people are jealous. All that means is Nike has a lot of money and power and is protecting them, it does not mean they are innocent.

Desi put her name on a public response, she is going to ruffle feathers of the Hansons & Brooks. That is what happens when a an identified person gives an honest response.

That is good, people are talking. The group of people that think the NOP is clean may who have not looked into what NOP/Nike is doing may now do research and realize the truths about those athletes.

So good on you Desi, you got your point across.

Pretty sure she didn’t mention Jordan. This is so typical on here. She admits she has concerns and being associated with someone who ADMITTED to breaking USADA code and she’s crucified. She’s old, jealous, etc. She was asked her opinion and answered. She didn’t spew hate- like you just did- just admitted that it made her uncomfortable. Again, this board is swarmed with losers. If it makes you feel better about yourself to tear into one of America’s best and dedicated runners you might want to think about what that says about yourself. Do you get a high by bashing a good person? Trying to turn it into hate and vitriol? (That might be too big of a word for you.) Maybe your upset inside that your hero Dathan broke the rules. So you attack Desi? You are pathetic. And desperate.

Desi did not screw up because what she said is right or wrong. She screwed up because it was not her position to throw stones. This was a NO COMMENT situation. She is an employee that has every right to her opinion. The Hansons and Brooks also have a right to deny another contract. She is probably set up through 2020 but I bet no more. I hate when athletes are so clueless that they can't see their future.

All pro runners are charity. Brooks doesn't need an athlete to sell shoes. She is a dead woman walking.

From the mouth of a chump wrote:

She's an absolute nobody.

Who has accomplished more in major races than Ritz ever will.

Des should just not comment wrote:

She violated a golden rule: If you don't have anything nice to say - just keep your mouth shut.

Also - just noticed that she is not supportive of NOP until they are "cleared of the allegations." So in her mind, they are guilty until proven innocent.

Yeah, keeping mouths shut is great for clean sport.

You idiot, it is not saying they are “guilty” when we state the have a case to answer. And they do. Obviously, or Salazar wouldn’t be spending time desperately trying to answer the case with his pathetic “rebuttal.”

It’s funny.

LetsRun rats have a fit and want to see every runner in town banned when a coach is caught with vials in a hotel. Guilt by association.

When an an athlete says ‘look, it’s hard to take a stand against rule-breaking with an admitted rule-breaker on my team’ it should be a no brainer for the same hysterical kids to see that point.

All of you are house-trained company widgets.

Nobody admires someone who speaks out, whether or not the boss might like it?

Toadies, all of you.

Sad!

a point not addressed in all of this...widely know there is no love loss between Nike and Brooks. period. How were K / K Hanson's able to sign Ritz despite the cloud of rumors and speculation of his activities with NOP?

How much influence does Brooks have with respect to signing of athletes or is it totally on K / K and their decisions? I'm going with the later as the 'putting lipstick on the pig" and selling it to Brooks that the signing of Ritz is a very positive decision for both brands.

Think about this scenario. Say Ritz is an 800-1500-3k type instead. Do you think Brooks would have given Danny Mackey the green light to sign him to the Beasts? Doubtful.