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GDR wrote:
Where is your evidence Komen or Ngeny doped?
If you're saying they doped, then it is as easy to say Coe doped. We could say Coe's quick success once he entered the athletics world is suspicious especially saying running 3:48 mile WR as "quite easy".
How come no British runner is able to run close to the times of Coe or Ovett in the last 20 years given how far training and technological advances we have made? Definitely suspicious.
See how easy it is to throw stones?
The doping apologist trolls that are pressurizing the Brojos to ban me are becoming ever more blatant - now choosing handles such as 'GDR'.
They repeat the same nonsense over and over again, even though they've been answered dozens of times.
Coe's success was not quick. He was even giving John Walker a good battle in 76 when Walker had just won Gold and Coe was still a teen. He beat Bayi the next year. Why is saying 3:48 was 'quite easy' suspicious when one of your 'clean' African heroes ran 3:43 just a few years later with no improvement in training techniques or theory just a decade or so later?
As I've repeated many times, the reason why no Brits have matched Coe and Ovett's times are because Brits likely didn't dope and were left out demoralized and defeated by the hordes of EPO cheats. Athletics also went from being the second most popular sport in the UK (behind football) to something that would barely make the sports pages. Now, with better testing, the 2012 Olympics, and yes Mo Farah, it's on the upswing again and there are 16 year old British boys running 1:47 and 3:46 and ahead of them seniors who are regularly making finals and even (like Kyle Langford) winning medals (when they're not cheated out by doped up Kenyans).
Coevett wrote:
Coe's success was not quick. He was even giving John Walker a good battle in 76 when Walker had just won Gold and Coe was still a teen. He beat Bayi the next year. Why is saying 3:48 was 'quite easy' suspicious when one of your 'clean' African heroes ran 3:43 just a few years later with no improvement in training techniques or theory just a decade or so later?
As I've repeated many times, the reason why no Brits have matched Coe and Ovett's times are because Brits likely didn't dope and were left out demoralized and defeated by the hordes of EPO cheats.
20 years is a very short decade...
"Brits likely didn't dope" - exactly. Doping is rampant all over the world - with the exception of this small island in the North Sea, where evolution has formed just ethically superior people. Has anyone ever questioned this just obvious truth?
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No reason why Brits and other Europeans are not running faster than in the 80s/90s but the drop in popularity of athletics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv7TOHglDXsCoevett wrote:
Coe's success was not quick. He was even giving John Walker a good battle in 76 when Walker had just won Gold and Coe was still a teen.
Walker is coming from so far behind in that race - was it a handicap or did Walker fall over at some point in the race? - the field looks very spread out for a mile race of that caliber.
good old races wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv7TOHglDXsCoevett wrote:
Coe's success was not quick. He was even giving John Walker a good battle in 76 when Walker had just won Gold and Coe was still a teen.
Walker is coming from so far behind in that race - was it a handicap or did Walker fall over at some point in the race? - the field looks very spread out for a mile race of that caliber.
Yeah, looks strange.
But giving Walker a good battle? lol
good old races wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv7TOHglDXsCoevett wrote:
Coe's success was not quick. He was even giving John Walker a good battle in 76 when Walker had just won Gold and Coe was still a teen.
Walker is coming from so far behind in that race - was it a handicap or did Walker fall over at some point in the race? - the field looks very spread out for a mile race of that caliber.
I am struck by how comparatively weak Coe looks. Apparently the gym work really did pay off for Coe.
kank wrote:
good old races wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv7TOHglDXsWalker is coming from so far behind in that race - was it a handicap or did Walker fall over at some point in the race? - the field looks very spread out for a mile race of that caliber.
I am struck by how comparatively weak Coe looks. Apparently the gym work really did pay off for Coe.
Yes, gym work makes you stronger, especially 19 year old boys. Not really a good basis to libel somebody as a doper.
When did Kim train Ovett or Walker. I doubt it. He was only the manager for Elliot (I think). Nonetheless McDonald's Kenyans were drowning in the sauce, sadly. Orange eyeball Dan.
Benenisa Kekele wrote:
good old races wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv7TOHglDXsWalker is coming from so far behind in that race - was it a handicap or did Walker fall over at some point in the race? - the field looks very spread out for a mile race of that caliber.
Yeah, looks strange.
But giving Walker a good battle? lol
Hi Ex-runner!
Yeah, it looks like it might have been a handicap, they were quite common in the 70's and even the 80's occasionally. Coe commentating on the video says 'I remember, wherever it was, John Walker joined the race'. There is no mention of it being a handicap race on that excellent German site - TheGreatDistanceRunners.de
If it wasn't a handicap, it was certainly a great performance from Coe who did take it to Walker, and certainly gave Moorcroft - who had just finished 7th in the Olympic final - a good battle, and beat Wessinghage (4th) who had beaten Ovett in the 76 semi-final and had just missed out on the final.
Coe was still a teen at that stage, but whatever fits your anti-white racist agenda.
Clearly he hasn't heard of Team Sky.
Coevett wrote:
If it wasn't a handicap, it was certainly a great performance from Coe who did take it to Walker, and certainly gave Moorcroft - who had just finished 7th in the Olympic final - a good battle, and beat Wessinghage (4th) who had beaten Ovett in the 76 semi-final and had just missed out on the final.
Coe was still a teen at that stage, but whatever fits your anti-white racist agenda.
Just those 34 seconds of the clip gives the impression that was a great race - there really was something about those days of track. It was a sign of things to come for Coe who was going to be 20 at the end of that summer. My guess is that there was some incident earlier in the race (rather than a handicap) as it seems strange that a great tactician like Walker would leave Moorcroft (an Olympic finalist) so far ahead. Maybe there was a fall or collision at some point before the last lap at the point where Coe and Moorcroft were taking off. Perhaps Deano, the Coe expert, knows. It was unfortunate for Walker that he started to have major injury issues after his 1976 season. He was coached by Arch Jelley who was somewhat Lydiard influenced - and who was still coaching athletes into his 90s.
Coevett wrote:
Hi Ex-runner!
I am not ex-runner, and you would know that if you had been around a bit longer.
Coevett wrote:
whatever fits your anti-white racist agenda.
This is utterly ridiculous ^^
I am a fan o Sebastian Coe as a runner and of Peter Coe as a coach.
How you find an anti-white racist agenda in this is beyond comprehension for any sane person.
Yes, I would think it would have been a fall or at least a major stumble by Walker that maybe Coe tried to take advantage of or just instinctively took off, like Crammy in the 82 European final.
Walker was a sight to behold in full flow powering down the home straight like that. Such a shame he was never at his peak again or he would have had some truly famous battles with Coe and Ovett over the next few years.
Coevett wrote:
Yeah, it looks like it might have been a handicap, they were quite common in the 70's and even the 80's occasionally. Coe commentating on the video says 'I remember, wherever it was, John Walker joined the race'. There is no mention of it being a handicap race on that excellent German site - TheGreatDistanceRunners.de
You're really some joke figure Coevett. "that excellent German site - TheGreatDistanceRunners.de" - hahaha.
This "excellent German site", done by someone who regularly changes facts and give misleading infos, correct? You know very, very well that everything what I'm writing is just the absolute truth, and when I'm wrong on something than I admit to it directly if I'm aware of it. YOU KNOW THIS. But you will never admit to it for some absolute strange agenda. You will never admit that you just talking absolute nonsense on many, many occasions (for example about Ovett's 3:33.78 in 1986 to be some slow tactical battle which he easily won in his customary sprint - which is just plain 100% wrong, completely opposite to the reality. You know I'm absolutely correct, but this doesn't fit to your agenda so you CAN'T accept it and you will definitely write wrong about it in the future).
I don't think the '76 Gateshead Mile was a handicap race, at least it wasn't mentioned in the magazines I have. But it really seems little bit strange how the race unfolded. Really would like to get some infos if someone knows if something special has happened during the race,
He was Ovett's manager but directly coached Elliott in the late 80s. Elliott attributes his silver in 88 to McDonald's training.
Something that seems to have been missed in support of Aouita is that if he was trying to avoid a tough race by not running the 1500 at LA, he blew it big time! 13:05 back in 1984 was an unbelievable time, especially in a competitive final. Aouita was pushed hard by the Portuguese and looked shattered at the end. He EARNED that gold medal, and you can only beat the people that enter the race on the day. All credit to Aouita.
Jacklovelock wrote:
Something that seems to have been missed in support of Aouita is that if he was trying to avoid a tough race by not running the 1500 at LA, he blew it big time! 13:05 back in 1984 was an unbelievable time, especially in a competitive final. Aouita was pushed hard by the Portuguese and looked shattered at the end. He EARNED that gold medal, and you can only beat the people that enter the race on the day. All credit to Aouita.
Excellent post. Here's the race:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIDmyHSikgEI can't remember seeing that 86 1500m race of Ovett's (in which he ran 3:33 and beat Bile by over half a second). Did you? Are you saying he was trying to break the world record in that race? Highly unlikely.
A 3:33 time and 1/2 a second ahead of Bile sounds like Ovett pulled away in the home straight in a decent paced race.
Coevett, don't do too many chokes. So far I was convinced you are a totally honest man (if I remember correctly) who ist just interested to find out the truth, who is looking completely unprejudiced on the facts and tries to balance them out without any prejudgment. Now you want to tell me you are writing about things you don't know anything about? That's just not possible - not YOU.
A small reminder for Mr Alzheimer from this thread:
And directly from Mr Coevett himself:
That's the point of view from the liar himself and and one of his many handles (as I believe, or there just is another mad one like him). Just a reflection of what he (they?) think has happened or what they wish. Quotes taken directly right of their as...
And now the correct version.
If I have seen the race? Wtf. What do you think I do when I write about some special race?
It was the purest time-trial from Ovett someone can think of.
Please leave this board for ever. The hate and the stupidity you have brought to this board is just stupendous. Compared to you Ventolin has written a lot of useful stuff. And I'm serious.