Sebastian Coe vs Said Aouita - 1500/mile race - Who would win?

Hahahah!! There goes Deano referencing an illegitimate 4 mile when every other runner was in off-season and Coe was peaking!!

Why don't you reference the following Deano? 14:06 and 7:54

Personal bests:

400m 46.87 (1979), 600m 1:16.2 (1978), 800m 1:41.73 (1981), 1000m 2:12.18 (1981), 1500m 3:29.77 (1986), 1M 3:47.33 (1981), 2000m 4:58.84 (1982), 5000m 14:06.2 (1980), Marathon 2:56:20 (1991).

Indoors: 800m 1:44.91 (1983), 1000m 2:18.58 (1983), 1500m 3:42.60 (1983), 3000m 7:54.32 (1986)

Deanouk wrote:

jappamn wrote:

Are you guys aware that Cova was a 21 year old nobody who had done nothing yet and likely wasn't on PEDs yet when this road race occurred?

Coe had already run 1:43.97 at 21 and was European Indoor Champion over 800m at age 20.

Cova obviously developed slower, but he was still a specialist 5000m runner at 21, running 13:40 in 1980.

The fact that a predominantly specialised 800m man could beat a specialist 5k man with a 13:40 pb by 31 secs in a distance race another 2.5km further than 5000m, proves that Coe's 14:06 pb was not indicative of what he could run and that his 5000m endurance was somewhat better than that of a Uni standard student.

The year (78) Coe beat Coghlan and McLeod over 4 miles, they had both run 13:26 and 13:25 respectively for 5k on the track.

Deanouk

Please stop making things up. Cova did not have a pb of 13:40 when Coe beat him in that road race. You lose credibility when you lie.

Can't Believe What I'm Hearing wrote:

Ontario you wrote:

Probably because he did not care. While both Deanouk and Coevett would suck Seb's schlong they would still be correct to assert that Seb had no reason to try to run fast at 3000m or 5000m.

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lmao

Deanouk wrote:

jappamn wrote:

Are you guys aware that Cova was a 21 year old nobody who had done nothing yet and likely wasn't on PEDs yet when this road race occurred?

Coe had already run 1:43.97 at 21 and was European Indoor Champion over 800m at age 20.

Cova obviously developed slower, but he was still a specialist 5000m runner at 21, running 13:40 in 1980.

The fact that a predominantly specialised 800m man could beat a specialist 5k man with a 13:40 pb by 31 secs in a distance race another 2.5km further than 5000m, proves that Coe's 14:06 pb was not indicative of what he could run and that his 5000m endurance was somewhat better than that of a Uni standard student.

The year (78) Coe beat Coghlan and McLeod over 4 miles, they had both run 13:26 and 13:25 respectively for 5k on the track.

Never knew Alberto Cova ran under 1:44 for the 800m.

That is very fast for a 10000m specialist.

Josh Birnbaum wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

Coe had already run 1:43.97 at 21 and was European Indoor Champion over 800m at age 20.

Cova obviously developed slower, but he was still a specialist 5000m runner at 21, running 13:40 in 1980.

The fact that a predominantly specialised 800m man could beat a specialist 5k man with a 13:40 pb by 31 secs in a distance race another 2.5km further than 5000m, proves that Coe's 14:06 pb was not indicative of what he could run and that his 5000m endurance was somewhat better than that of a Uni standard student.

The year (78) Coe beat Coghlan and McLeod over 4 miles, they had both run 13:26 and 13:25 respectively for 5k on the track.

Never knew Alberto Cova ran under 1:44 for the 800m.

That is very fast for a 10000m specialist.

What is the fastest 800m/10000m combo?

Josh Birnbaum wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

Coe had already run 1:43.97 at 21 and was European Indoor Champion over 800m at age 20.

Cova obviously developed slower, but he was still a specialist 5000m runner at 21, running 13:40 in 1980.

The fact that a predominantly specialised 800m man could beat a specialist 5k man with a 13:40 pb by 31 secs in a distance race another 2.5km further than 5000m, proves that Coe's 14:06 pb was not indicative of what he could run and that his 5000m endurance was somewhat better than that of a Uni standard student.

The year (78) Coe beat Coghlan and McLeod over 4 miles, they had both run 13:26 and 13:25 respectively for 5k on the track.

Never knew Alberto Cova ran under 1:44 for the 800m.

That is very fast for a 10000m specialist.

Cova never ran under 1:44 and Deanouk never said he did. You need to reread what he wrote.

jappamn wrote:

Josh Birnbaum wrote:

Never knew Alberto Cova ran under 1:44 for the 800m.

That is very fast for a 10000m specialist.

Cova never ran under 1:44 and Deanouk never said he did. You need to reread what he wrote.

My bad. My bad. Haha.

jappamn wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

Coe had already run 1:43.97 at 21 and was European Indoor Champion over 800m at age 20.

Cova obviously developed slower, but he was still a specialist 5000m runner at 21, running 13:40 in 1980.

The fact that a predominantly specialised 800m man could beat a specialist 5k man with a 13:40 pb by 31 secs in a distance race another 2.5km further than 5000m, proves that Coe's 14:06 pb was not indicative of what he could run and that his 5000m endurance was somewhat better than that of a Uni standard student.

The year (78) Coe beat Coghlan and McLeod over 4 miles, they had both run 13:26 and 13:25 respectively for 5k on the track.

Deanouk

Please stop making things up. Cova did not have a pb of 13:40 when Coe beat him in that road race. You lose credibility when you lie.

I’m not lieing. Cova ran 13:40 in 1980, the same season Coe beat him on the roads. Yes Cova ran it in the summer a few months after the road race, but it still makes him a 13:40 man that season. The point remains. If Coe could beat someone who is soon to run 13:40, and Coe himself would also have improved from a road race in March or April to the summer track season, by 31 seconds, proves his 14:06 pb was a training run and not reflective of his ability or potential over 5000m.

Deanouk wrote:

jappamn wrote:

Deanouk

Please stop making things up. Cova did not have a pb of 13:40 when Coe beat him in that road race. You lose credibility when you lie.

I’m not lieing. Cova ran 13:40 in 1980, the same season Coe beat him on the roads. Yes Cova ran it in the summer a few months after the road race, but it still makes him a 13:40 man that season. The point remains. If Coe could beat someone who is soon to run 13:40, and Coe himself would also have improved from a road race in March or April to the summer track season, by 31 seconds, proves his 14:06 pb was a training run and not reflective of his ability or potential over 5000m.

I was NOT arguing your point but you knowingly lied and you damn well know it. You stated that Coe beat a man with a 13:40 pb because it served your argument, and you knew it was a lie. Cova ran the 13:40 in August and at age 21 his fitness could have improved quite a bit over the summer. Stick to the facts.

The thing about Alberto Cova is that he was never known for running very fast times in the 5000m and even his favourite 10000m.

When you compare his PBs to the WR at the time, he was not close.

Cova was a racer rather than a time triallist.

Cova is the the complete opposite of a runner like Mamede.

The fact that Coe could beat Cova at the time does show potential. Unless Cova was injured?

Coeva wrote:

jappamn wrote:

I was NOT arguing your point but you knowingly lied and you damn well know it. You stated that Coe beat a man with a 13:40 pb because it served your argument, and you knew it was a lie. Cova ran the 13:40 in August and at age 21 his fitness could have improved quite a bit over the summer. Stick to the facts.

The thing about Alberto Cova is that he was never known for running very fast times in the 5000m and even his favourite 10000m.

When you compare his PBs to the WR at the time, he was not close.

Cova was a racer rather than a time triallist.

Cova is the the complete opposite of a runner like Mamede.

The fact that Coe could beat Cova at the time does show potential. Unless Cova was injured?

He had a crazy last 400m kick.

Compilation of Cova's famous final sprint kick.

But if someone took on the pace early and made the 10000m race fast, Cova had no chance.

Deanouk wrote:

jappamn wrote:

Deanouk

Please stop making things up. Cova did not have a pb of 13:40 when Coe beat him in that road race. You lose credibility when you lie.

I’m not lieing. Cova ran 13:40 in 1980, the same season Coe beat him on the roads. Yes Cova ran it in the summer a few months after the road race, but it still makes him a 13:40 man that season. The point remains. If Coe could beat someone who is soon to run 13:40, and Coe himself would also have improved from a road race in March or April to the summer track season, by 31 seconds, proves his 14:06 pb was a training run and not reflective of his ability or potential over 5000m.

Cova was probably injured. 31 seconds is ridiculous.

The Italian was no where close to his prime.

Bane wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

I’m not lieing. Cova ran 13:40 in 1980, the same season Coe beat him on the roads. Yes Cova ran it in the summer a few months after the road race, but it still makes him a 13:40 man that season. The point remains. If Coe could beat someone who is soon to run 13:40, and Coe himself would also have improved from a road race in March or April to the summer track season, by 31 seconds, proves his 14:06 pb was a training run and not reflective of his ability or potential over 5000m.

Cova was probably injured. 31 seconds is ridiculous.

The Italian was no where close to his prime.

That is speculation, that he was injured, although he would be pretty stupid to run with an injury, especially just prior to the summer track season.

Where did I say that Cova was in ‘his prime’? Of course he wasn’t, and I doubt Coe was either, at that stage of the season.

Cova was used here as a point of reference in disputing claims that Coe had no potential over 5000m and that he was merely ‘University standard’. Cova went on to run 13:40 a few months later, so was highly likely to have been in sub 14:00 shape in the spring.

Coe beat Coghlan and McLeod, both elite 5000m runners in October 1978 over 4 miles. They had run 13:25 and 13:26 on the track a couple of months earlier. All 3 were at the tail end of the summer season, before their break for winter training. Coe had spent most of summer running 800m on the track.

In 83 Coe won the Vigevano road race for a 2nd time, in 18:28 (over 6.7km). This time he beat Stefano Mei and Francesco Panneta, another 2 very good elite Italian distance runners. No, they weren’t at their peaks, no it wasn’t peak season, but both were predominantly distance runners as opposed to Coe who was an 800/1500 specialist. Mei went on to run 13:32 that season and Panetta in the 13:40’s. Not great by today’s standards at all, but it is very doubtful anyone with only 14:06 ability would be able to beat such runners on home ground over their specialised distance.

Btw, 18:28 for 6.7km is running at 13:46 pace for 5000m but maintaining it for an extra mile. That shows decent 5000m potential.

You're right. It shows decent, not world-class, 5000m potential. Coe beat a couple of slow white guys that were 2-3 months PAST the racing season. I love how you hang onto that as Coe's ONLY long distance performance in a 15-year career.

jjklj wrote:

You're right. It shows decent, not world-class, 5000m potential. Coe beat a couple of slow white guys that were 2-3 months PAST the racing season. I love how you hang onto that as Coe's ONLY long distance performance in a 15-year career.

Seriously. Enough of this. He’d end up like Walker and Ovett if he ever tried to step up.

jjklj wrote:

You're right. It shows decent, not world-class, 5000m potential. Coe beat a couple of slow white guys that were 2-3 months PAST the racing season. I love how you hang onto that as Coe's ONLY long distance performance in a 15-year career.

Your knowledge is limited isn't it?

We are talking about 35-40 years ago, when 13:25 would have been a world class time over 5000m and put you in the top 20 guys of a year.

Coe did not beat 'a couple of slow white guys', he beat Eamonn Coghlan and Mike McLeod, both medallists at a global level in 5000m or 10,000m, running at a distance that was favourable to both of them.

Coghlan would go on to win the 1981 World Cup gold and the 1983 World Championships over 5000m. His best time in 78 was 13:26.6 when winning a race in Ireland, putting him #27 on the world list that year (when the #7 fastest was 13:20.0).

Coe beat him less than 1 month after Coghlan won the silver medal in the 1500m European Champs. So the 4 mile road race was NOT '2-3 months PAST the racing season'.

McLeod was the #18 fastest over 5000m in 78 with 13:25.2. He had narrowly missed a medal in the Commonwealth 5000m (finishing 4th) 6 weeks before the 4 mile road race, and been a finalist in the European Champs 1 month earlier.

The following year he won the 10k in the IAAF Golden Event, making him the 3rd fastest in the world for that year.

He was Olympic 10000m silver medalist in 1984.

Cova was to become European, World & Olympic champion over 10k between 82 and 84.

5th in that 4 mile race was Charlie Spedding, who ran 13:28 for 5000m in mid August that year, some 6 weeks earlier. Coe beat him by 15 secs.

So we have 3 examples of Coe beating established or elite 5000m or 10k runners on the roads in 3 different years; 1978, 1980 and 1983. The athletes he beat may not have been at their peaks when Coe beat them, but they were nonetheless beaten by someone who was best known as an 800m runner over distances that were beyond 5000m. Coghlan, McLeod, Cova, Mei and Panetta all won medals over 5000m or 10000m in a major championships. Their times may not compare with the elite of today, but during Coe's era they were all established (mid)distance runners.

I have never said that the above is conclusive evidence that Coe had the potential to be a great 5000m runner. But it is strong evidence that he was capable of way faster than his one solitary run over 5000m on the track suggests.

Slowvett wrote:

jjklj wrote:

You're right. It shows decent, not world-class, 5000m potential. Coe beat a couple of slow white guys that were 2-3 months PAST the racing season. I love how you hang onto that as Coe's ONLY long distance performance in a 15-year career.

Seriously. Enough of this. He’d end up like Walker and Ovett if he ever tried to step up.

Racist psycho replies to his own racist psycho post to back himself up. Yet again.