Clarence Munyai (?!) - 19.69 to break SA record

This looks like it was run in Pretoria at over 4000 ft elevation, definitely an advantage for sprints. Not sure what means for record eligibility.

From 1968 until 1996, the Men's 200m world record was altitude-aided (two separate records, both run in Mexico City).

Fantastic sprint, look at his turnover maintenance--it is absolutely excellent.

Yes the altitude helped, but this was nicely done.

He has tremendous turnover and a tiny stride, unlikely to say the least that he could run 19.69. Injury to come? Altitude conversion would be something like .2 at most, I'd guess. There is something going on in South African and Southern African sprinting to say the least. I am not at all confident that it is legit. Tremendous sprinters are coming out of the woodwork.

He ran a 10.10 for 100m also in Pretoria back in February. He should be poised to drop that quite a bit unless he’s a real Wallace Spearmon type

While his stride isn't exactly tiny, it isn't large, either.

2 things:

1) there is a HUGE, largely undeveloped pool of talent in Africa. Anywhere there is a semblance of structure and an abiding interest will produce fantastic sprinters--which is to say, almost nowhere.

2) this kind of time absolutely could have been done cleanly at that altitude. But was it? Chances are that he is using. RSA discovered "it" several years ago, and they tested the limits with Magakwe and others. RSA learned at their expense, although those athletes are running again.

So it is difficult to say one way or another. WVN is bogus, of that I am absolutely certain. Massive historical users don't get beaten by clean athletes.

As soon as we see from RSA 9.80 or below in the 100m, I will know for sure, unless it has altitude and/or wind behind it.

Shut up, Sprintgeezer. The community had enough of you when you went on your witch hunt against Ed. We don't need you coming after other athletes due to your own warped, addled mindset.

Hey Sprint, what solidified your opinion on Van Niekirk

And I agree with the talent pool notion. I feel like South Africa has been hampered by Apartheid and talent has been left undeveloped.

It’s not totally unprecedented, just look at Frankie Fredericks (Namibia)

Eh.

Track and Field is huge in South Africa. Almost every single kid in the country will compete in at least one race between the ages of 6 and 18. The season starts with a school wide meet (usually a very big deal). Tracks (no matter the surface) aren't hard to find, even in the smallest of towns.

The only reason South Africa isn't a powerhouse in track and field is poor management and inept, corrupt leadership on the national level.

To add...

When I was a kid, the inter-house meet was the sporting highlight of the school year. The entire school was divided in two or three teams. Everyone was expected to participate in at least one event. You would sit with your team on the bleachers while waiting and you would cheer your team on. It also meant a day off of school. Out of uniform if you competed, in uniform if you didn't want to compete. Lots of kids would walk the 1500m because that meant no uniform. If you were in the top 3, you moved on to the inter school meeting. Again, the entire school was expected to show up and cheer. The largest sections of the bleachers would be cordonoed off and the schools would have cheering competitions against each other. It was pretty fun, especially in elementary school.

With the restructuring in the 90s, things kinda went to pot a little with the elimination of the old and the introduction of the new by people who really had no clue what they were doing. Talent suffered. But things are coming right. The newest young athletes we are seeing now were born in the late 90s.

Not everything good is always drug use.

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Ed was more courageous than you. He didn't want to foreclose any talk about it in order to seek refuge in some fascist construct.

He was willing and able to talk about it, and he did, in person. A very class act. You should learn from his conduct.

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Floda boy, it was a combination of things. The 400 has a long and deep history in the USA. Lots of guys have run it, and it is quite possible that the best 400 talent was actually found and developed. Add to that the fact that Reynolds and many others were known users, and that MJ's peak coincided with the rise of EPO, and you have a low-43 region populated by questionables.

And then along comes WVN and beats them all...AFTER HAVING GONE TO JAMAICA AND DO AS THE JAMAICANS DO.

Not only that, but he developed a class all his own, great in all 3 sprint events. It stretches credulity.

Magakwe was their promising 100m guy, and got popped. Did you know that last year their best 110m hurdler Smit was popped for Clen and got a 4-yr ban? The gear is definitely there, about that there can be no question.

One might argue that these positives are proof that testing is working, but Magakwe was back in 2014 when he refused to submit for a test (he is back running now), and Smit is a guy who unexpectedly beat their reigning hurdle champ. I don't know exactly how things work in RSA, but also, Smit is white and Alkana is black. Take that FWIW, maybe you know more than I do.

They have the gear, all of a sudden they seem like a world sprint power, and they produce a super-athlete in WVN. And to top it off, Gatlin is now down there.

I have already said that this kind of time at this altitude is cleanly achievable, no question about it. Also, this is the time of you would expect this kind of a performance in RSA.

Do I personally think he is using? I have no idea. But it is a distinct possibility.

There is a long history of young guys (he's 20) popping off an incredibly fast 200m, just look through the records and you will see what I mean. He could easily be clean.

not again wrote:

Eh.

Track and Field is huge in South Africa. Almost every single kid in the country will compete in at least one race between the ages of 6 and 18. The season starts with a school wide meet (usually a very big deal). Tracks (no matter the surface) aren't hard to find, even in the smallest of towns.

The only reason South Africa isn't a powerhouse in track and field is poor management and inept, corrupt leadership on the national level.

Track & Field is not really "huge" in South Africa, there are really three sports that count over there : football, rugby union & cricket.

They are perennial powers in rugby and cricket, but those two sports are relatively niche at world Level, and they are currently bad at Football, where they struggle to even make it into the African nation cup, nowadays.

I have to admit that their performances lately raise suspicion, even though this Munyai guy was a promising junior : he finished 2nd behind Michael Norman at World Juniors 2 years ago (which make you wonder what kind of time Norman could put up , outdoor).

I watched the video and boy did Munyai look good down the straight

You’re right the time is believable although man is it a huge leap for him. But he is only 20 so that might not be so strange

This year is going to be very strange in the sprints.

Bolt is gone. WVN is returning from ACL surgery (will he even run this year?) and who knows how that will turn out.

Three guys running crazy times in the sixty (will Baker and Su translate it to 9.8x? Coleman to 9.7x?). Tons of talent popping up in the 400 (how many new sub 44s might we see this year? Norman? Taplin?)

Sprintgeezer wrote:

While his stride isn't exactly tiny, it isn't large, either.

2 things:

1) there is a HUGE, largely undeveloped pool of talent in Africa. Anywhere there is a semblance of structure and an abiding interest will produce fantastic sprinters--which is to say, almost nowhere.

2) this kind of time absolutely could have been done cleanly at that altitude. But was it? Chances are that he is using. RSA discovered "it" several years ago, and they tested the limits with Magakwe and others. RSA learned at their expense, although those athletes are running again.

So it is difficult to say one way or another. WVN is bogus, of that I am absolutely certain. Massive historical users don't get beaten by clean athletes.

As soon as we see from RSA 9.80 or below in the 100m, I will know for sure, unless it has altitude and/or wind behind it.

Sprintgeezer hasn't been posting much in the past year. Just in case anybody has forgotten that he is a grumpy old man yelling at the neighbor kids from his porch, he has come back to post more mindless drivel like this. I've never seen a single post from him that has any sort of proof to his claims. His position is basically "if you run faster than x.xx, you are definitely using drugs." Why he feels the need to even post is beyond me, since every single post can be summed up in that single sentence.

Except that I have been right about every 9.80-or-below athlete using, and that only Bolt will never test positive.

I post because it is important to never forget. For each doper out there, there is an honorable clean athlete who doesn't get a shot.

I call 'em like I see 'em, and I have had 20/20 vision, both in the 9.80-and-below club, and in Bolt's performance trajectory regarding Hans.

I called out RSA years ago now, while at the same time I have constantly lamented that Nigeria can't get its act together as a country. If they could, they would rule the sprint world because of the talent pool. RSA also has a giant talent pool, and some of the resurgence is certainly due to that.

I think of both the good and the bad. You should try it sometime.

And your statement of my position is incorrect. It is instead that "If you go wind-legal 9.80 or better, there is an overwhelmingly strong statistical probability that you have used at least one banned substance". All but 2 guys (8/10) have actually tested positive, and of those 2 guys one is Bolt, and the other is Greene (who has been outed by the drug kingpin).

80% actually tested positive + 10% Greene using with reasonable certainty + 10% Bolt/Hans/German iron-clad doctor-patient privilege laws combined with the reign of the PROVEN corrupt Diack (as I also predicted on these boards with specificity).

Those are the facts. Yes there are other facts, like what they tested for and what it might do. While that particular fact is not relevant, there may be others that are.

Regardless, somewhere down the line a hard-working, honest, clean athlete is cheated out of maybe a lane, maybe a meet, maybe a chance, maybe a livelihood, maybe fame and fortune, maybe respect.

If you don't like the taste of it, leave the vigilance to those of us with a stronger constitution.

Sorry, that was not a clear statement of my position, but I have restated it so many times here I no longer have the will to copy and paste from the old threads.

So you statisticians, you can cool it, or you can reformulate it if you wish, in which case it will be what I have earlier stated on this board.

sure, he comes off as a grumpy guy, but he's pretty much predicted all of the things he's said and it's hard to refute.

sometimes, we want to believe things are true but we ignore the facts. i think most great fast times are doped like he's saying.

2017 WC's in the 100m was telling when the winner was Gatlin in 9.92 and it was his season's best. Bolt only got 3rd, even after his regular trip to his German doctor.....

AND, he does know a lot of great stuff about sprinting

here's a good quote i copied from a thread a few years ago:

Slim chance? Well that's about the understatement of the year.

unbelievable.

Every time Bolt finds an excuse to miss a bunch of meets or runs slower than expected and he goes to his doctor in Germany, he comes back and miraculously runs like .2 faster.

2008, he goes 9.69 with no form and backwards leaning like a goofball.

2009, he claims to have ongoing injuries from a car accident, goes to his doctor in Germany, comes back, and runs 9.58 and 19.19.

2012, he struggles to a 9.8-high in the Jamaican trials and loses to Blake, claims a hamstring injury, disappears for a while, and comes back looking much bigger and stronger and runs 9.63 and 19.32.

2015 year, he goes from 10.1x to 9.8x in no time, and wins in Beijing.

Now he's doing it again. It's a joke.

Read more:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7300165#ixzz492zCbajC

This is one of my favorites that he wrote more than 2 years before Lamine Diack was brought down. SG came back more than 2 years later to claim victory, he's nuts!

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5317989