Never had an issue in Oakland except a broken car window. However I have had plenty of issues in LA when I lived down there. Held up at gun point and so on.
Never had an issue in Oakland except a broken car window. However I have had plenty of issues in LA when I lived down there. Held up at gun point and so on.
dubb-a-der wrote:
Head being scratched wrote:
Who are these people who believe that there is a lot of "diversity" in these huge left wing enclaves where virtually everyone thinks and votes the same?
and what exactly do you consider 'diverse'?
Reading Breitbart doesn't make you diverse, it makes you retarded.
Diversity to me is of the heart and mind and thank you for making me glad that I don't live next door to you as you reveal the hypothetical conversation inside your angry head and then regurgitate an insult
Sub18Hopeful wrote:
CuriousPerson wrote:
Lived in a lot of places.
Visited a lot of places, ran while there.
Rankings for places I've spent enough time to know:
1. San Diego CA
2. Madison WI (only below SD because of winter)
3. Eugene OR
4. Beaverton OR (Portland itself is actually not that great for places to run, although the running culture is the best in the US. Beaverton ranking assumes access to Nike campus).
After that, any number of places have good running. Chicago has the lakefront. Palo Alto has the bay trails. Boston has the Charles and the reservoir. Columbus OH has the Olentangy trail, Highbanks, and Antrim. Seattle has nice places and nice weather (admittedly better trails in some of suburbs on the other side of Lake Washington (e.g. Kirkland). Tallahassee has some impressive trails outside the city. Pittsburg has some nice (albeit very hilly) trails. I've never been to Boulder, NM, northern Arizona, or Utah, but they probably belong up on the above list as well.
I have no idea why any real runner would purposefully live in LA or NYC unless they are forced to, although I suppose the Bronx has the one nice park.
Can someone expand a bit on San Diego?
There is a chance we may move from NYC to SD at some point within the next year or two, and I'm wondering how/why running is good there (beyond the weather aspect which I realize is quite perfect year round!).
More specifically, I've always thought of Marin County, CA or even the mountains around LA/Malibu to be perfect running scenery, but I don't know SD as much.
I've run along the water there (San Diego), but that wasn't great (and if I recall, not asphalt but rather concrete). What are some good running grounds for EVERY day type of running? (for example in NYC Central Park has dirt/packed sand trails).
For non-everyday running, I understand there are some quality trails outside the city is that right? I've visited La Jolla and it's gorgeous, but I couldn't tell the running would be great. Interested to hear more about proper trails (but not quite ultra type of terrain...something rolling and a bit quick I guess). Does this exist? If so how far and how much of a pain?
I really want to enjoy the idea of moving to San Diego, as my wife may need to relocate for work. Somehow I am not convinced, yet on these boards the consensus is that it truly would be a great choice for running, maybe even better than SF.
Everyday running in SD depends on where you live and work. There are canyons and trails in lots of different places. However, I'm a bit past my everyday running days. So I'm not the best source. I just head out in my neighborhood, or run on the sand at La Jolla shores, Del Mar, or Solana Beach.
Back in the day. I ran a lot in Scripps Ranch/Tierrasanta trails. San Clemente Canyon (Marion Bear now and not as good as it used to be). Penasquitos (sp?) Preserve. Balboa Park, Sunset Cliffs up into Pt Loma (a bit hilly). Mission Bay. I'm sure North County has a lot of good running areas. I also used to run La Jolla a lot. It's pretty much all pavement, but you can run on the side streets close to the ocean and not have any lights.
When the weather is not too hot, East County has a lot of open space.
Dwm wrote:
Denver.
? Way too many dudes!
My top ten:
1. New York (Central Park, Hudson River Park)
2. DC (the towpath, the mall)
3. Birmingham (home city bias)
4. Minneapolis-St. Paul (lakes, miss river)
5. Denver/boulder (wash park greenways)
6. Boise (Boise river greenbelt)
7. Chicago (lakeshore, Grant Park)
8. San Fran (the scenery)
9. Charlotte (little sugar creek, booty loop)
10. Boston (the Charles, the marathon)
LA and Salt Lake City are decent but too hilly for my taste. Never been to Portland/Beaverton. Chattanooga and Houston are okay.
angryjohnny wrote:
My top ten:
1. New York (Central Park, Hudson River Park)
2. DC (the towpath, the mall)
3. Birmingham (home city bias)
4. Minneapolis-St. Paul (lakes, miss river)
5. Denver/boulder (wash park greenways)
6. Boise (Boise river greenbelt)
7. Chicago (lakeshore, Grant Park)
8. San Fran (the scenery)
9. Charlotte (little sugar creek, booty loop)
10. Boston (the Charles, the marathon)
LA and Salt Lake City are decent but too hilly for my taste. Never been to Portland/Beaverton. Chattanooga and Houston are okay.
Didn't even consider Pittsburgh... you guys just aren't man enough to take the hills.
post checks out wrote:
elviejo wrote:
+1 to this. I spend a lot of time in Davis and I'll be honest it sucks for running. Flat as hell, no diversity (trails/roads, not politics). Only thing going for it is that it's close enough to Sacramento (which has one of the best running/race communities around) and the Sierras. But you gotta drive to get to the mountains.
I'd say Sac is pretty damn high on my list because of the huge number of very well organized races (SRA and Capital Road Race Management - any race put on by them is put on for runners). American River parkway for long runs. Weather in summer sucks though.
You can get some good miles on Davis farm roads. Compared to the rest of California it’s pretty bad, but I’d say it’s better than a lot of the Midwest (minus hills). It gets way too hot in the Sac area in the summer for either Sacramento or Davis to be considered good running cities.
Add to that, air quality is often poor due to the central valley farming.
Sub18Hopeful wrote:
What do I mean by culture? Thanks for asking. I guess museums/exhibits/events/plays, sure musicals too. There's a bit for everyone. If you have a favorite artist, chances are he'll stop by MSG or Brooklyn at some point. Not the same can be said for Tulsa
Let's play a game called, spot the guy who's never lived in Tulsa
(we are a crap running city though)
You have got to be kidding me. Many of the best restaurants in the world are in New York City and by far the most diverse types of restaurants. You have many of the best museums in the world. You have musicals if you like that sort of thing but also enormous numbers of non-musical plays. You have ballets, opera, symphony. You have one of the greatest libraries in the world in the New York Public Library, as well as the Columbia University Library. You have the center of American publishing, advertising, finance, fashion, and on and on. You have Columbia University, Fordham, NYU, the New School, and the CUNY System, which has produced an enormous number of Nobel Prize winners. You have many of the best public and private high schools in the country, including Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, Brooklyn Tech, Dalton, Spence, Chapin, Regis, and on and on.
There is no end to the national celebrations and street fairs. No other American city has 1/10 the culture of NYC.
zxcvzvxcvzxc wrote:
You have got to be kidding me. Many of the best restaurants in the world are in New York City and by far the most diverse types of restaurants. You have many of the best museums in the world. You have musicals if you like that sort of thing but also enormous numbers of non-musical plays. You have ballets, opera, symphony. You have one of the greatest libraries in the world in the New York Public Library, as well as the Columbia University Library. You have the center of American publishing, advertising, finance, fashion, and on and on. You have Columbia University, Fordham, NYU, the New School, and the CUNY System, which has produced an enormous number of Nobel Prize winners. You have many of the best public and private high schools in the country, including Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, Brooklyn Tech, Dalton, Spence, Chapin, Regis, and on and on.
There is no end to the national celebrations and street fairs. No other American city has 1/10 the culture of NYC.
That's nice if your gay/Democrat
Of course, in New York, you also have college sports and two pro soccer teams, two minor league baseball teams, the Mets, Yankees, Jets, Giants, Knicks, and Nets, and so on.
winnr1 wrote:
Sub18Hopeful wrote:
What do I mean by culture? Thanks for asking. I guess museums/exhibits/events/plays, sure musicals too. There's a bit for everyone. If you have a favorite artist, chances are he'll stop by MSG or Brooklyn at some point. Not the same can be said for Tulsa
Let's play a game called, spot the guy who's never lived in Tulsa
(we are a crap running city though)
Really now, did Kanye West's tour stop in Tulsa? Can people make a living on the theater scene in Tulsa?
I'm always amused by the NYC apologists on here.
Most of the world doesn't care about expensive high brow art. Culture consists of vastly more than expensive high brow art. The signs of a strong culture tend to be more of:
How many passersby it takes before someone will help someone in need?
How friendly a community is to strangers?
How close are the bonds of community? Do you know your neighbors?
Is education (learning) valued? Or is status valued, and education simply a means to it?
How safe is a woman walking alone at night?
How safe is an unlocked bicycle?
Museums and theater have remarkably little to do with culture, beyond what exactly each of them try to celebrate.
New York has nice things (Central Park). The buildings and architecture are visually impressive. Your public transit system actually works. But for most (sane) individuals, the only one of the centers that you listed ("publishing, advertising, finance, fashion") that would even be considered a net positive (and not something to stay away from, as it has a tendency to degrade the human soul) would be publishing.
Also, NYC's public schools are famously corrupt and segregated. You have good ones, yes, but you also have lots of truly terrible ones.
What's mostly amusing to me is that when people from other US cities try to convince you they are the best, they name positive things. (well, excepting LA). Maybe they'll downplay the negatives, maybe they'll just not acknowledge the negatives, but they rarely list negatives as the main draw. Texans won't lead in with how awful they're summers are, Minnesotans won't lead with the average January low. People from SF won't try to convince you their homeless situation is a sign of how great their city is. Seattleites won't lead with how many rainy days they have. Chicago natives won't try to convince you their south and west side crime rates are evidence of the greatness of their city.
But New Yorkers here seem to lead in with how culturally snobby and money focused they are (which immediately brings to mind how expensive it is to live there). It's... odd.
xczvzxcvzvxc wrote:
Of course, in New York, you also have college sports and two pro soccer teams, two minor league baseball teams, the Mets, Yankees, Jets, Giants, Knicks, and Nets, and so on.
As a native Brooklynite, and a kid who attended Fordham football games while my uncle was a student there, I am going to throw the BS flag on the college sports call. You have St. John's basketball and track meets at the Amory and Ocean Breeze facility, and that is about it. I guess you could reach and talk about basketball tournaments, but that is a reach.
Otherwise, I think it is hard to argue that NYC has more cultural and sporting amenities to offer than any other city in the country with San Francisco probably coming in second and DC probably coming in third (open to being corrected on 2md and 3rd, just going off of the cuff there).
Now, I still think NYC is nowhere near the top running city in the country, and the city itself has plenty of shortcomings notwithstanding its cultural strengths, but that has no impact on the fact that it is the center of culture in our country.
I love this thread.
My take on why NYC has a spot is that 1) it truly is the quintessial “city” (which is what this thread is about we are not talked about remote nature) and 2) Central Park is the closest thing you can find to trails and quality running within a city.
Many of the other places have amazing surroundings and trails and preserves and state parks, for sure, and often nicer weather, but it’s hard to beat Central Park when you mix city life, work, and running.
The downside of course is that unless you live a few blocks from the park it won’t be as easy. I am very fortunate to live within 2 blocks, so yes this is a myopic view and only works if you also make enough at your day job.
I do enjoy tremendously not having to drive to the start of of my run. Many other cities would seem to require some driving around depending on where you live.
Other than NY I’ve enjoyed running in Boston, Miami (winter), Pittsburgh, Denver not so much, Vegas (would get old quick though!), and Sedona, AZ as well as Salt Lake City. I keep thinking that the perfect weather cities like San Diego would make you “soft” and unable to race in cold or hot weather once you get too used to perfect everyday!!! Or perhaps am I just rationalizing!
John Utah wrote:
So, this is a common practice, changing your surname to reflect your state of residence? Not familiar with this practice.
Um....ever heard of Joe Montana?
zxcvzvxcvzxc wrote:
You have got to be kidding me. Many of the best restaurants in the world are in New York City and by far the most diverse types of restaurants. You have many of the best museums in the world. You have musicals if you like that sort of thing but also enormous numbers of non-musical plays. You have ballets, opera, symphony. You have one of the greatest libraries in the world in the New York Public Library, as well as the Columbia University Library. You have the center of American publishing, advertising, finance, fashion, and on and on. You have Columbia University, Fordham, NYU, the New School, and the CUNY System, which has produced an enormous number of Nobel Prize winners. You have many of the best public and private high schools in the country, including Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, Brooklyn Tech, Dalton, Spence, Chapin, Regis, and on and on.
There is no end to the national celebrations and street fairs. No other American city has 1/10 the culture of NYC.
If you have to explain to someone why NYC has culture it's already a lost cause.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Rest in Peace Adrian Lehmann - 2:11 Swiss marathoner. Dies of heart attack.