WCAP Intl Eligibilty at Risk: IAAF Transfer of Allegiance

Why do you have a problem with American taxpayers supporting athletes who eventually will win medals for the US, further the depth of US teams/finals, and want to be here?

It's so obvious that you are a white supremacist who has an absurd purist view of what makes someone American. Guess what? Most people who are born American can probably trace their roots in this country to a much less desirable story, whether it be African slaves brought against their will, white indentured servants who were often kept longer than their contract stipulated, or various European settlers who laid the groundwork of this country by slaughtering the natives who lived sustainably. So what if Kenyan-born athletes are becoming US citizens? They want to be here and they want to compete for the US, just look at how reverent Chelimo is when he talks about what the Army has done for him in interviews. If nothing else, it's a lot better than how most of us came to be American, and these athletes have to enlist, go through the process of acquiring citizenship, and they still have to train their asses off to make US teams (which only 7-8 have done consistently out of the many athletes in the WCAP program.)

You don't give a sh*t about Americans, America, or athletics. You're just racist.

The OP is wrong about how the rule will affect current WCAP runners. The past will not be undone.

very much not, ball licker. I've beaten three of the current wcap guys, am friends with several former wcap'ers (two who I still talk to on a regular basis), none of the former guys have a big issue with how the current team is/was assembled and neither do most of the elite americans. Seriously bruh, eff the heck off.

Lickety Split wrote:

One of those guys. wrote:

Deer Lickety (my balls) Split:

I'm one of those guys who has/had/is at risk of a spot being taken. Thanks for your concern. I'm 100% in support of them competing for "my" spot, as I have no more claim to it than they do. I've beaten some of those guys before, and lost plenty as well. It's 100% on me to earn that spot and I have zero problem if they earn it. In my view, they have.

Thanks and please shut the EFF UP.

- FRAUD!

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Why do you have a problem with American taxpayers supporting athletes who eventually will win medals for the US, further the depth of US teams/finals, and want to be here?

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* Because WCAP and these athlete-soldiers are exploiting a immigration loophole to become AMCITS without serving our country as the MAVNI program was intended. In their case, serving overseas to take advantage of their cultural expertise. FRAUD, WASTE, ABUSE!

* There are not many athletes on the WCAP track & field program.

* I don't understand why you call me a racist.

One of those guys. wrote:

very much not, ball licker. I've beaten three of the current wcap guys, am friends with several former wcap'ers (two who I still talk to on a regular basis), none of the former guys have a big issue with how the current team is/was assembled and neither do most of the elite americans. Seriously bruh, eff the heck off.

Lickety Split wrote:

- FRAUD!

- Then you must enjoy living below poverty level with a rare shot at ever representing our nation in track & field. Some people like being Sisyphus & appreciate carpetbaggers .... I do not -- particularly when they join OUR Army under false pretenses.

Look forward wrote:

The OP is wrong about how the rule will affect current WCAP runners. The past will not be undone.

- We'll see ... I don't think Lawi Lawang will make it to Oly Trials/World Champs qualifiers since he recently enlisted.

- What's awesome is Cheserek now has to compete against his countrymen for a shot ... or perhaps represent Qatr.

Lickety Split wrote:

I don't understand why you call me a racist.

You may or may not be a racist. But you are a dickhead.

Nothing is stopping other talented college runners from enlisting upon graduation.

The WCAP was around before Chelimo and company and will be around long after he’s retired. The US Army has supported Olympic athletes in some fashion since way before anyone on this board was born.

Alan

- I agree that WCAP survives, but not in its current form. Both the Secretary of Defense cracking down on MAVNI's nefarious policies and Lord Coe/IAAF cracking down on East Africa Distance Runner trafficking disrupts WCAP's current model.

- Its crazy .... folks get all bent out-of-shape on lame accusations of NOP doping, but appear compliant with WCAP's hijack of our sport.

- The MAVNI program is designed to prevent issues such as reflected as below versus hijack US distance running .... not one of those guys on the team have fought against al-Shabaab since enlistment. A region where you need Swahili speakers & soldiers accustomed to living in arduous conditions ... not Fort Collins. WCAP & OUR Army ought to be ashamed of itself.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/10/06/world/africa/africa-embassy-bombings-fast-facts/index.html

"Following the recommendations from the Transfer of Allegiance Working Group, Council agreed to a set of principles regarding transfers of allegiance in athletics, which include:

- a minimum three-year waiting period for athletes wanting to transfer from one country to another

- the establishment of a review panel that will determine the credibility of applications

- evidence that countries are offering full citizenship and associated rights

- the provision that an athlete can transfer only once in their career, and

- that no transfers take place before the age of 20.

While the specific rules are being drafted for approval at the July meeting of Council in Buenos Aires, the IAAF’s current freeze on transfers will remain in effect."

How many WCAP members have competed in athletics under another flag, and when?

Lickety Split wrote:

Les wrote:

Nope. WCAP sponsors NINE sports team, only one of which (track & field) is dominated by foreign-born citizens. All the rest (the majority of WCAP) are American-born athletes. WCAP is NOT a program designed for foreign-born athletes. It is available to all American citizens, including white, upper-middle class American born distance runners. All they have to do is join the Army. This they will not do because the typical white, upper-middle class American has more life options than the typical Army recruit.

- You must believe in Santa Claus & the Easter Bunny. WCAP's track & field standards are disproportional to its other programs. Not one West Point track & field school record holder could qualify for this team.

Lower standards would open the doors for more participants and cost the taxpayers more money - something that seems to contradict your desires. All you've pointed out is that West Point sucks at track and field.

Dan Browne, US Olympian --- sucks?

the beagle wrote:

"Following the recommendations from the Transfer of Allegiance Working Group, Council agreed to a set of principles regarding transfers of allegiance in athletics, which include:

- a minimum three-year waiting period for athletes wanting to transfer from one country to another

- the establishment of a review panel that will determine the credibility of applications

- evidence that countries are offering full citizenship and associated rights

- the provision that an athlete can transfer only once in their career, and

- that no transfers take place before the age of 20.

While the specific rules are being drafted for approval at the July meeting of Council in Buenos Aires, the IAAF’s current freeze on transfers will remain in effect."

How many WCAP members have competed in athletics under another flag, and when?

- Requires more research .... that said, you have to wait 3 years & you can only do it once: well done IAAF!

Ahhh....so you decided to make claims before researching. Well done.

- Doesn't matter .... has to wait 3 years.

- IAAF recognizes that Lawi runs for Kenya ... just 1 x example there Judge Beagle.

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/lawi-lalang-261799

"even if you achieve US citizenship given your enlistment in the Army you won't be able to compete until your last year given the IAAF's "Transfer of Allegiance" rule that requires waiting 3 x years until you compete for another nation!"

This above statement is the un-researched/untrue claim you made in your original post that I was prodding you for. I don't doubt that there may be WCAP members who have run for Kenya at some point. You made a blanket statement that no new runners would be able to run until their last year, which is patently false.

Correct?

Judge Beagle: my post specifically addressed those athletes currently running .... example, the Conference USA guys like Saruni.

Lickety Split wrote:

Judge Beagle: my post specifically addressed those athletes currently running .... example, the Conference USA guys like Saruni.

Yes, it was a statement for those currently in the NCAA. All of them. A blanket statement that none of them would be able to compete until their last year of WCAP if they joined.

"- A warning to US Army WCAP & their Green Card holder recruits currently competing in the NCAAs: even if you achieve US citizenship given your enlistment in the Army you won't be able to compete until your last year given the IAAF's "Transfer of Allegiance" rule that requires waiting 3 x years until you compete for another nation!"

That is a false statement. Educate yourself.

Judge Beal: Yes it is unfortunate that folks don't understand that a normal enlistment in the Army is 4 years & would subsequently do the math.