2018 NCAA mile: If Edward Cheserek were racing Kerr this year, who would you pick? Will Elle Purrier win NCAA title #1?

rojo wrote:

I'd be VERY tempted to pick Kerr. I think actually I would pick Kerr.

As for the women's race, we picked Purrier in our preview but I think it's possible I could be talked off that pick if some of you make arguments for other runners so let me know what you think.

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/03/2018-ncaa-indoor-mens-800-preview-josh-kerr-elinor-purrier/

My bet is that Kerr will not win THIS year.

How's that for "different thinking"

you're getting nuttier and nuttier, Rojo.

Too late, you've already crossed the jackass threshold, you might as well own it from here.

The question is not, who has the higher absolute talent level or who competed against the correct age group 6 years ago, rather who would win in a mile race if it were held on Saturday.

The Facts:

- Cheserek has run 5 secs faster this indoor season

- Cheserek has handily beaten the likes of Blankenship, Chelimo, Gourley, Gebrhiwet, Gebremeskel, & Mechaal.

- The closest anyone has finished to him this season is Gebrhiwet who was over 3 seconds behind and Ches ran a 3:49 mile the day before!

- Kerr lost at Millrose to O'Hare and beat Blakenship by .05

Fun Stat: Kerr closed in 28.9 for his final 200 at Millrose, King Ches averaged 28.68 for his mile in Boston.

My Outlandish Claim: Ches wins in any distance 600 and above

the biggest reason Ches lost last year, imo, was that it was the entire field vs him. Watch the replay again, any time he tried to make any move, you had guys like Saarel pushing him way out. Not giving him a pass or anything, or that it's unfair, that's just life when everyone is focused on you. The way it played out, he had to expend way too much extra energy

rojo wrote: You think Ches is running a 3:51 full mile from the front with no rabbit? That's laughable.

rojo wrote: No I'm not trying to be like some jackass on some Skip Bayless show.

You are.

You're attempting to use a last lap where Cheserek is clearly letting up in the final 200 as evidence that he is getting his doors blown off. He wasn't making up ground on Kerr and let up to save energy. Go look at your 'evidence' and watch the final 100 meters where Ches starts jogging. That's why he's a 'tiny yellow speck', as you so Baylessly put it.

While you are at it, go look at his final 200 at the NB Grand Prix, which you have declared as evidence that he doesn't have world class closing speed. Watch as he slows down with 150 to go because he opened up a 10 meter gap on a world class field in the span of 50 meters. Very obvious evidence that he doesn't have world class closing speed.

Skip Rojo....letsrun's biggest troll.

+1

Easy, Skip Rojo has an eye for "absolute talent."

meheneh wrote:

While you are at it, go look at his final 200 at the NB Grand Prix, which you have declared as evidence that he doesn't have world class closing speed. Watch as he slows down with 150 to go because he opened up a 10 meter gap on a world class field in the span of 50 meters. Very obvious evidence that he doesn't have world class closing speed.

Skip Rojo....letsrun's biggest troll.

Didn't King Ches thrown down a 24.x final 200 in a 10k like 3 or 4 years ago?? Yeah, pretty sure he did. That's Geb/Bekele/Farah level closing speed. That's world class.

yes, we are talking mile here, but he's proven the closing speed without a doubt. And in that mile a couple years back when he ran the final 1000 in 2:19 when Soratos threw in a 53 400 mid-race, that Ches covered easily, he also proved the acceleration ability there (covering the surge easily). And ability to kick from a loooooong way out.

The only way Kerry would beat him right now is if Ches was coming off one of his NCAA quadruples (had already run 4 races) and/or Ches ran a dumb race and let it go super slow to the final 200 and Kerr got the jump on him. Under those 2 scenarios, I might pick Kerr also. Under *any* other scenario, bet everything on Ches.

rojo wrote:

Anyways, Kerr ran 3:54 a month ago. I'd assume he's in 3:52 shape by now.

And Ches is in at least 3:49 shape right now.

Did you have a point, Skip?

rojo wrote:

Anti chez wrote:

The brojos just seem to be anti chez

I'm not anti-Ches. I'm anti-establishment thinking. "Think different." I'm not sure Kerr would win but I'd probably pick him in the contest as the value I'd be getting for that pick would be huge and the genius factor if it happens would last a long time.

YMMV wrote:

Why bring Ches into this? Did he still have indoor eligibility for UO?

Because it's an interesting hypothetical - the type you'd see on a sports talk show whether on radio or tv for other spors. And I view our messageboard as our sport's version of talk radio.

Talking about whether Kerr is going to win this weekend is boring - yes he's going to win. Talking about whether he'd beat Kind Ches is much more interesting. My job here is to entertain you and get you think.

Stop trying to be "anti-establishment" just to make yourself seem edgy, it's getting ridiculous. The race wouldn't be close.

Your forum is a toxic-spew of bigotry and pseudo-intellectualism, not a radio talk show.

3 pages of Letsrun posters, from many different running and professional backgrounds and levels of education, ALL disagreeing with Rojo.

That's diversity.

That's consensus.

Embrace Debate

rojo with another troll attempt. Enough already!

I have never posted on this message board before. Normally, I just stick to reading the message boards and chuckling to myself over the posts and reading the news.

However, I have decided to make my first post ever just to point out how incredibly stupid Rojo is. I don't know if I have ever heard a dumber take than this. You're lucky that you happened to capitalize on one of the only popular running websites because if you had to go into the real world and get a job, you would be too stupid to land or hold a job. Seriously, it's better for your reputation if you never post again and try to never again reveal to the world how incredibly stupid you are.

Cheserek has run faster than Kerr at altitude, on a flat track, and at possibly the nation's fastest indoor track. They are running on the same track that German Fernandez ran a 3:55 solo mile all those years ago.

Lol. Cheserek could time trail this baby from the front and still win by a couple seconds.

I'd pick Kerr. He's too strong.

rojo wrote:

I'm not anti-Ches. I'm anti-establishment thinking.

I don't think the establishment had yet heard news of the 3:49 when you posted that it was a pedestrian time for a Kenyan and therefore no big deal.

Kerr is 20. He's YOUNGER than Cheserek was when Ches graduated from high school. How about some other comparison?

So, does that mean Cheserek would have run slower than 4:20 DMR split?

Amazing how women come in so many shapes and sizes but guys kind of have to look fast to be fast. Purrier looks like those girls on every team who run 5:15 in the mile. Then the gun goes off and looks mean nothing.

Predictor wrote:

Amazing how women come in so many shapes and sizes but guys kind of have to look fast to be fast. Purrier looks like those girls on every team who run 5:15 in the mile. Then the gun goes off and looks mean nothing.

If you look at the women in a super elite 1500m field-say the DL final-I think you’ll get a different impression.