Still unconfirmed, but not good. Already casting a pall over all Kenyans.
Still unconfirmed, but not good. Already casting a pall over all Kenyans.
Total BS - Kenyans don't dope as you know, El Keniano. FAKE NEWS!
Emma Coburn for the silver!
go Boulder babes wrote:
Emma Coburn for the silver!
Hyvin Kiyeng for Gold!
ghostofrenato wrote:
Total BS - Kenyans don't dope as you know, El Keniano. FAKE NEWS!
Bahraini.
I believe she's coached by Khalid Boulami.
El Keniano wrote:
ghostofrenato wrote:
Total BS - Kenyans don't dope as you know, El Keniano. FAKE NEWS!
Bahraini.
Haha get lost
ex-runner wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Bahraini.
Haha get lost
If Bernard Lagat, Paul Chelimo, Edward Cheserek and others suddenly and conviniently become Kenyan, then I'll get lost. She's Bahraini and got paid millions by them to switch countries. Her loyalty is to the nation of Bahrain which supports her financial to defeat her Kenyan rivals. Which, by the way should've been a red flag. That kind of money would tempt many to cheat.
Don't know the circumstances, who tested her and where she was caught. But disappointed in Sean Ingle, who I never thought the type to take cheap shots for a sensationalistic splash, using this to essentially implicate all Kenyan athletes. Low hanging fruit, I suppose.
But she got caught, and that is good.
El Keniano wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
Haha get lost
If Bernard Lagat, Paul Chelimo, Edward Cheserek and others suddenly and conviniently become Kenyan, then I'll get lost. She's Bahraini and got paid millions by them to switch countries. Her loyalty is to the nation of Bahrain which supports her financial to defeat her Kenyan rivals. Which, by the way should've been a red flag. That kind of money would tempt many to cheat.
Lives and trains in Kenya
The shock is that she got caught, not that she's doping. Everybody knew that anyway.
This is huge. However, luckily for Kenya, she is not running for them. So they can shade it, and I am sure they will.
On the olympic front, this is huge, because she is probably the best steeplchaser in the world. If true, she was probably doping out of competition, so her body can perform at a high level during training, and then cycle off before competition to not get detected.
El Keniano wrote:
Don't know the circumstances, who tested her and where she was caught. But disappointed in Sean Ingle, who I never thought the type to take cheap shots for a sensationalistic splash, using this to essentially implicate all Kenyan athletes. Low hanging fruit, I suppose.
But she got caught, and that is good.
I think the sarcastic implication is that Jebet was only targeted by Kenyan officials (if the failed test was conducted within Kenya of course) because she was a “sell out” and competing against her countrymen.
The inference is that they never bother testing their own athletes and yet as soon as they introduce A flying doping regime targeting a runner who has sold out they establish wrongdoing immediately..
Of course what this overlooks is that doping remains a personal choice of individual athletes. Sure certain countries provide environments where doping can occur with less chance of being discovered, but that certainly doesn’t mean that athletes from these countries have less moral integrity than others.
There is a very false supposition amongst westerners that failed tests or doping controversies within countries such as Ethiopia and Kenya suggest a doping culture pervasive throughout all the athletes there. For example people site the Jama Aden bust as a reason Ayana must be doping - despite the fact she’s has never met or had anything to do with him or his coaching group. - Of course US athletes would be super angry if East Africans alleged a similar national culture amongst their ranks as a result of the NOP controversy.
Whilst I will not doubt that economic motivations can influence a moral decision to cope. To suggest a doping culture or reduced moral standards exist within certain less developed countries only is simply not true.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
This is huge. However, luckily for Kenya, she is not running for them. So they can shade it, and I am sure they will.
On the olympic front, this is huge, because she is probably the best steeplchaser in the world. If true, she was probably doping out of competition, so her body can perform at a high level during training, and then cycle off before competition to not get detected.
Exactly 6 seconds faster than the next fastest woman
This might help explain the shocking WC W3000 steeple in London last year. Maybe we had a glimpse into what an undoped final would look like.
Hill Run wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Don't know the circumstances, who tested her and where she was caught. But disappointed in Sean Ingle, who I never thought the type to take cheap shots for a sensationalistic splash, using this to essentially implicate all Kenyan athletes. Low hanging fruit, I suppose.
But she got caught, and that is good.
I think the sarcastic implication is that Jebet was only targeted by Kenyan officials (if the failed test was conducted within Kenya of course) because she was a “sell out” and competing against her countrymen.
The inference is that they never bother testing their own athletes and yet as soon as they introduce A flying doping regime targeting a runner who has sold out they establish wrongdoing immediately..
Of course what this overlooks is that doping remains a personal choice of individual athletes. Sure certain countries provide environments where doping can occur with less chance of being discovered, but that certainly doesn’t mean that athletes from these countries have less moral integrity than others.
There is a very false supposition amongst westerners that failed tests or doping controversies within countries such as Ethiopia and Kenya suggest a doping culture pervasive throughout all the athletes there. For example people site the Jama Aden bust as a reason Ayana must be doping - despite the fact she’s has never met or had anything to do with him or his coaching group. - Of course US athletes would be super angry if East Africans alleged a similar national culture amongst their ranks as a result of the NOP controversy.
Whilst I will not doubt that economic motivations can influence a moral decision to cope. To suggest a doping culture or reduced moral standards exist within certain less developed countries only is simply not true.
Are you serious? false supposition among westerners?
Dude, do I need to list all the kenyans and Ethiopians who have failed drug tests?
There is a doping culture in those nations, without a doubt, so lets not be foolish here. Hell, Dibaba still competes after her coach got busted in spain with cases of PED. This is a coach who coaches the top ethiopian athletes in the world.
What you are doing spewing a narrative to cover up the well known doping issues in those countries, countries that basically have nonexistent anti-doping protocols, because their anti-doping protocols are a joke.
Hill Run wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Don't know the circumstances, who tested her and where she was caught. But disappointed in Sean Ingle, who I never thought the type to take cheap shots for a sensationalistic splash, using this to essentially implicate all Kenyan athletes. Low hanging fruit, I suppose.
But she got caught, and that is good.
I think the sarcastic implication is that Jebet was only targeted by Kenyan officials (if the failed test was conducted within Kenya of course) because she was a “sell out” and competing against her countrymen.
The inference is that they never bother testing their own athletes and yet as soon as they introduce A flying doping regime targeting a runner who has sold out they establish wrongdoing immediately..
Of course what this overlooks is that doping remains a personal choice of individual athletes. Sure certain countries provide environments where doping can occur with less chance of being discovered, but that certainly doesn’t mean that athletes from these countries have less moral integrity than others.
There is a very false supposition amongst westerners that failed tests or doping controversies within countries such as Ethiopia and Kenya suggest a doping culture pervasive throughout all the athletes there. For example people site the Jama Aden bust as a reason Ayana must be doping - despite the fact she’s has never met or had anything to do with him or his coaching group. - Of course US athletes would be super angry if East Africans alleged a similar national culture amongst their ranks as a result of the NOP controversy.
Whilst I will not doubt that economic motivations can influence a moral decision to cope. To suggest a doping culture or reduced moral standards exist within certain less developed countries only is simply not true.
Excellent post, this. I have complained several times here about about the apparent western inability to see Africans as individuals. It’s always “the Kenyans”, “the Ethiopians”, “the Africans”. Marion Jones, and even Lance Armstrong, do not reflect negatively on other American athletes. But a Kenyan failing a dope test always brings up the invevitable questioning of the entirety of Kenyan athletics and suggestions from some allegedly smart people that the country should be banned like Russia (never mind the obvious lack of any state sponsored systems).
I too caught the hint that Kenyan testers could’ve targeted Jebet over a grudge. Ridiculous! Makes me think this Ingle guy belongs at the Daily Mail rather than the Guardian.
YMMV wrote:
This might help explain the shocking WC W3000 steeple in London last year. Maybe we had a glimpse into what an undoped final would look like.
Undoped because an American won? Please! Tell that to ‘Wrong way’ Beatrice.
El Keniano wrote:
YMMV wrote:
This might help explain the shocking WC W3000 steeple in London last year. Maybe we had a glimpse into what an undoped final would look like.
Undoped because an American won? Please! Tell that to ‘Wrong way’ Beatrice.
I agree with you that Beatrice was probably doped. To miss the barrier, then fall over and knock out another runner, then get up and still finish fourth was a ridiculous display of pharmaceutical superirority. But her choice to dope was of course an individual choice, even if it was done in an environment of little or no testing.
That is why I said "a glimpse". Only a glimpse.
El Keniano wrote:
Hill Run wrote:
I think the sarcastic implication is that Jebet was only targeted by Kenyan officials (if the failed test was conducted within Kenya of course) because she was a “sell out” and competing against her countrymen.
The inference is that they never bother testing their own athletes and yet as soon as they introduce A flying doping regime targeting a runner who has sold out they establish wrongdoing immediately..
Of course what this overlooks is that doping remains a personal choice of individual athletes. Sure certain countries provide environments where doping can occur with less chance of being discovered, but that certainly doesn’t mean that athletes from these countries have less moral integrity than others.
There is a very false supposition amongst westerners that failed tests or doping controversies within countries such as Ethiopia and Kenya suggest a doping culture pervasive throughout all the athletes there. For example people site the Jama Aden bust as a reason Ayana must be doping - despite the fact she’s has never met or had anything to do with him or his coaching group. - Of course US athletes would be super angry if East Africans alleged a similar national culture amongst their ranks as a result of the NOP controversy.
Whilst I will not doubt that economic motivations can influence a moral decision to cope. To suggest a doping culture or reduced moral standards exist within certain less developed countries only is simply not true.
Excellent post, this. I have complained several times here about about the apparent western inability to see Africans as individuals. It’s always “the Kenyans”, “the Ethiopians”, “the Africans”. Marion Jones, and even Lance Armstrong, do not reflect negatively on other American athletes. But a Kenyan failing a dope test always brings up the invevitable questioning of the entirety of Kenyan athletics and suggestions from some allegedly smart people that the country should be banned like Russia (never mind the obvious lack of any state sponsored systems).
I too caught the hint that Kenyan testers could’ve targeted Jebet over a grudge. Ridiculous! Makes me think this Ingle guy belongs at the Daily Mail rather than the Guardian.
Wrong.
Lance Armstrong is the most condemned athlete in all of sports. Why? WE condemned him, and we banished him. We acknowledged the wrong doing within our athletics.
The same thing goes for baseball. American did not cover it up. The people spoke out against the players, and condemned the players, which is why Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds are not in the HOF as of yet.
Americans are the only ones who go in on NOP and Alberto Salazar. We know he is dirty, and we are against those practices. All you have to do is look at this board and how people hate Rupp, Farah and NOP.
We don't pretend unlike the culture in Kenya, Jamaica and Ethiopia. Were the Dibabas condemned by their people or other african nations when their coach got busted with Peds? Nope. They hid behind the same narrative that you are displaying. Same thing goes for when Jepto and Sumgong tested positive, just more it is not all Kenyans crap.
IN America, we have a history of athletes getting busted for Peds, and we ACKNOWLEDGED that, and we don't hide behind narratives. So we call out other countries that do, and pretend. That is the difference.
We realize that Rupp is possibly dirty. Hasay is possibly dirty. And that Justin Gatlin is possibly STILL dirty ( americans don't even support him).
We are not fake. But african and jamaicans are fake when it comes to doping, and I am writing this as an African American.
So stop the bullcrap, and own up to the doping ways in east african nations.
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