Gun control.
Handily put into a funny, easy to watch video for us Americans that can't be bothered to read statistics and research that every other developed nation has done, countries that coincidentally don't have their school kids being shot at every day. That isn't a hyperbole. Our schoolkids are shot at every day.
MASS SHOOTINGS WERE STOPPED OVERNIGHT. WHY HAVEN'T WE LEARNED?
There is much debate and conflicting studies as to whether the 1996 gun laws are the reason for the drop in gun violence in Australia...Rates were declining before the laws were passed.....
In 2011, there was a mass shooting in Hectorville. In 2014, one in Hunt, and again in 2014 one in Wedderburn (which was a 4 hour siege of a neighborhood).
On October 2 (2015)–just one day after Obama suggested an Australian-like gun ban might be the way forward for America–a gunman opened fire outside a daycare by State Crime Command in Sydney, Australia. Fox News reports “at least two are dead.”
All mass shooters are men.
We should ban them.
truthseakr wrote:
There is much debate and conflicting studies as to whether the 1996 gun laws are the reason for the drop in gun violence in Australia...Rates were declining before the laws were passed.....
There is no such debate and no conflicting studies.
3 in 3 years, recently wrote:
In 2011, there was a mass shooting in Hectorville. In 2014, one in Hunt, and again in 2014 one in Wedderburn (which was a 4 hour siege of a neighborhood).
There was also the Sydney hostage incident in Dec 2014 with 2 dead (plus perp) in the end.
There have been several mass shootings since then.
Don't forget Monash 2002 (the mentally impaired gunman who could only kill 2).
truthtellr wrote:
truthseakr wrote:
There is much debate and conflicting studies as to whether the 1996 gun laws are the reason for the drop in gun violence in Australia...Rates were declining before the laws were passed.....
There is no such debate and no conflicting studies.
The Sporting Shooters’ Association of Australia, the largest gun rights group in the country, has long held that the 1996 gun laws and those passed since then have had a negligible effect on safety and firearms death.
Although some studies maintain that there was a decline in gun deaths, particularly suicides, in the country following the 1996 legislation, a 2008 report by the University of Melbourne that analyzed firearms deaths for a period of 100-years in Australia concluded that the new laws did not have any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides.
Others contend that any decrease in gun deaths is societal related and not due to strict gun control.
“The full truth is that Australia’s close neighbor New Zealand – a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends – has experienced an almost identical time period with no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned,” David Leyonhjelm, a Liberal Democratic Party member of the Australian parliament, wrote in a piece for the Australian Finance Review.
https://www.ssaa.org.au/media-centre/how-has-gun-ownership-changed-in-australia-since-1996.htmlhttp://www.melbourneinstitute.com/downloads/working_paper_series/wp2008n17.pdfDidn't stop them enuff wrote:
3 in 3 years, recently wrote:
In 2011, there was a mass shooting in Hectorville. In 2014, one in Hunt, and again in 2014 one in Wedderburn (which was a 4 hour siege of a neighborhood).
There was also the Sydney hostage incident in Dec 2014 with 2 dead (plus perp) in the end.
2 dead and you found that from a national news source?
That's like page 7 local news in the US.
Did the founders of Australia write into their laws that a fundamental right of their citizens is that they can be armed?
What other countries have done is irrelevant, they do not have the history or the laws of the USA.
3 in 3 years, recently wrote:
In 2011, there was a mass shooting in Hectorville. In 2014, one in Hunt, and again in 2014 one in Wedderburn (which was a 4 hour siege of a neighborhood).
All using registered firearms. No automatic weapons. Hectorville, 3 deaths (three people killed living in a home). Wedderburn, 3 deaths (dispute between two neighbors). Hunt family, 5 deaths (father who killed his wife and three kids and himself). That is 11 deaths in 22 years—1 every two years. Try again.
Let's look at the aftermath of 1996 Howard's gun grab. 1996-2000
Firearm-related murders were up 19%
Armed robberies were up 69%
Home invasions were up 21%
Now let's look at the 15 years prior to his confiscation:
Firearm-related homicides dropped 63%
Firearm-related deaths fell 50%
The facts speak for themselves.
That is 11 deaths in 22 years—1 every two years. Try again.
Wow, I thought this was going to be an honest debate.
Count ALL deaths from guns in Australia, not just those listed?
no YOURE hilarious wrote:
Did the founders of Australia write into their laws that a fundamental right of their citizens is that they can be armed?
What other countries have done is irrelevant, they do not have the history or the laws of the USA.
Ummm, fool, Australians are allowed to own guns. Just not automatic weapons. Just not if they are mentally stable. And just not as many guns and ammo as they like.
Try to grow up... wrote:
That is 11 deaths in 22 years—1 every two years. Try again.
Wow, I thought this was going to be an honest debate.
Count ALL deaths from guns in Australia, not just those listed?
How about YOU read the topic of this thread. MASS shootings. Not ALL shootings. Try again.
Hate him for the GST too wrote:
Let's look at the aftermath of 1996 Howard's gun grab.
1996-2000
Firearm-related murders were up 19%
Armed robberies were up 69%
Home invasions were up 21%
Now let's look at the 15 years prior to his confiscation:
Firearm-related homicides dropped 63%
Firearm-related deaths fell 50%
The facts speak for themselves.
Firearm-related deaths have fallen more in the USA in the same timeframe.
truthtellr wrote:
truthseakr wrote:
There is much debate and conflicting studies as to whether the 1996 gun laws are the reason for the drop in gun violence in Australia...Rates were declining before the laws were passed.....
There is no such debate and no conflicting studies.
Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?, British Journal of Criminology, Nov 2006.
The lack of effect of a massive buy-back and associated legislative changes in the requirements for obtaining a firearm licence or legally possessing a firearm has significant implications for public and justice policy, not only in Australia, but internationally. It is tempting to equate strict firearm legislation with effective firearm legislation. If policy is to be truly effective, it must have clearly defined outcomes and it must be able to bring about those outcomes. The desired, and implied, outcome of firearms legislation is to achieve an improvement in overall public health and safety by minimizing firearms abuse and misuse. Such aims may be difficult to achieve when legislation is drafted in the political arena. Consequently, we recommend that firearms policy development should be based on empirical data, careful evaluation of that empirical data, and community understanding and acceptance of proposed legislation. There is insufficient evidence to support the simple premise that reducing the stockpile of licitly held civilian firearms will result in a reduction in either firearm or overall sudden death rates.
Mass. Shooting wrote:
How about YOU read the topic of this thread. MASS shootings. Not ALL shootings. Try again.
OK, let's use your (faulty) idea.
Only count "mass shootings" in USA (defined arbitrarily by Congress reports as 4+ dead).
Amazingly, all these ghost numbers from anti-gun zealots vanish, and only about 40 shootings in the last 2 decades (USA) are left!
Australia is 10x smaller than your USA. So the expectation becomes similar. No net effect,
http://www.afr.com/news/politics/the-unsettled-science-of-gun-laws-20140612-ixkk5[the rest of the world should learn from Australia]... about the dangers of allowing lobbyists, politicians and the media to prevent a rational debate.