The title says it all.
I say 14:50ish. I’m not really sure though. Any thoughts or examples?
The title says it all.
I say 14:50ish. I’m not really sure though. Any thoughts or examples?
That sounds just about right as a minimum. I know about a dozen friends or former teammates who have run sub-2:19 and the slowest I can think of was right around there. But I probably know almost equally many 14:20ish guys who didn't hit 2:19, even with proper training.
I would say 16:28, which is the average 5k time for a 2:19 mary.
In all seriousness, Hanson's calculator says 14:30. I don't think there is a solid answer because a person training for 2:19 marathon might never race a competitive, fast 5k when they are in peak marathon shape. Conversely, you can get yourself into peak 5k shape without doing anything close to 2:19 mary training. We are talking about a race that is over 8 times the distance of the other race.
I'm working with a guy now who went just under 2:19 and ran the trials in 2016. He never broke 14:50 - his PR is just under 14:55.
There is no minimum.
The maximum is probably about 14:30-50
My spouse ran 14:50ish for a road 5K around the time he ran his 2:18 PR at the Trials. His track PRs are a lot faster but were run 8+ yrs before.
Wonderer1 wrote:
The title says it all.
I say 14:50ish. I’m not really sure though. Any thoughts or examples?
I can't recall his name (and was unable to find it via internet research) but in the late 70s/early80s there was a local ace in the New York/tri-state area who ran a sub-2:20 marathon without ever cracking 16 for 5k (Yes, sixteen minutes).
That might sound preposterous, as we're talking here about maintaining 5:20 per mile for a marathon yet being unable to go faster than 5:09 pace for a measly 5k, but it was true. The guy was an anomaly who had only one gear, but he could stay in that gear nearly all day.
Local blue collar guy Matt Pelletier has a listed 5k PR of 14:36. Not sure when that was from. During a lot of marathon build-ups where he has hit the standard his road times seem to be in the 14:50-15:30 range.
5k is completely irrelevant to the marathon.
As an anecdote, my PRs are:
14:51
2:17:49
But that 5k was from much earlier, a few months before I ran 2:22. It would be very difficult to go
Knew of a local guy years ago who ran 2:22-24 a slew of times. He tried several times to make OT qualifier, just never quite there. Think his 5K PR was maybe 15:50's, but he only 'raced' them for his marathon 'speedwork.' I believe he was capable of at least low 15's.
Typically, a sub 2:20 requires a 30:00 10K. A 30:00 10K is 2 x 5K PR plus 1-min. That would be a 5K PR at 14:30. Of course, everyone is different, but this generally the speed required.
There is a guy around here named Matt Fecht who has been running road 5K's in the 15:30-16:30 range and he recently qualified for his third Olympic Trials with a 2:17:xx.
LovingAnonymously wrote:
Knew of a local guy years ago who ran 2:22-24 a slew of times. He tried several times to make OT qualifier, just never quite there. Think his 5K PR was maybe 15:50's, but he only 'raced' them for his marathon 'speedwork.' I believe he was capable of at least low 15's.
to clarify, I meant
KS wrote:
LovingAnonymously wrote:
Knew of a local guy years ago who ran 2:22-24 a slew of times. He tried several times to make OT qualifier, just never quite there. Think his 5K PR was maybe 15:50's, but he only 'raced' them for his marathon 'speedwork.' I believe he was capable of at least low 15's.
to clarify, I meant
whoops forgot about that less than sign situation..
to clarify, I meant sub 15:00 on the track. but you don't have to jump through the shorter distance hoops before taking a shot at 2:19. you can improve your shorter distance times just by marathon training (or other training) in many cases
Smoove wrote:
I'm working with a guy now who went just under 2:19 and ran the trials in 2016. He never broke 14:50 - his PR is just under 14:55.
This is what I'm hoping for. My pr is 14:53 and I hope that a few years of consistent training will unearth a little marathon potential.
Runn262 wrote:
Typically, a sub 2:20 requires a 30:00 10K. A 30:00 10K is 2 x 5K PR plus 1-min. That would be a 5K PR at 14:30. Of course, everyone is different, but this generally the speed required.
Typically maybe, but I know plenty of guys that will never break 30 that have run under 2:20. 30 min 10k is more equal to 2:18.
Other options wrote:
Runn262 wrote:
Typically, a sub 2:20 requires a 30:00 10K. A 30:00 10K is 2 x 5K PR plus 1-min. That would be a 5K PR at 14:30. Of course, everyone is different, but this generally the speed required.
Typically maybe, but I know plenty of guys that will never break 30 that have run under 2:20. 30 min 10k is more equal to 2:18.
PAULA RADCLIFFE
Personal best(s)
5000 m: 14:29.11
10,000 m: 30:01.09
Half Marathon: 1:05:40
Marathon: 2:15:25 WR
Bib #1 wrote:
Other options wrote:
Typically maybe, but I know plenty of guys that will never break 30 that have run under 2:20. 30 min 10k is more equal to 2:18.
PAULA RADCLIFFE
Personal best(s)
5000 m: 14:29.11
10,000 m: 30:01.09
Half Marathon: 1:05:40
Marathon: 2:15:25 WR
Exhibit #1!
As another example - my best marathon time is 2:19:30 and my 5km is 14:48.