Throwing and Excess Fat - Is there a performance reason for it?

yeah to be as strong as possible, you've got to also be fat af. for the same reason, every competitive power lifter in the heaviest weight class is also super fat.

Force = Mass * Acceleration

In throwing, you accelerate your body mass and then try to transfer that kinetic energy in to the object you are throwing. So the bigger body mass you accelerate, the more force upon transfer.

While on the surface this seems like a good reason, you will 1.) accelerate more slowly if you have more excess weight to lift. 2.) the energy transfer from that mass will be mostly lost through jiggling. 3.) its not a collision, you're moving the object and then projecting it so its not a true transfer of force like if a trunk rear-ends a smartcar.

I agree with Miles Davis (by the way Sketches from Spain was masterful). You do not need to be "big/fat" to throw. In fact, the first IAAF Track and Field World Champion in the shot put (Edward Sarul - Poland) was "only" 6'2 225/230lbs - basically the size of a high school tight-end or a classic physique competitor in bodybuilding.

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[3.1]Miles Davis wrote:

While on the surface this seems like a good reason, you will 1.) accelerate more slowly if you have more excess weight to lift. 2.) the energy transfer from that mass will be mostly lost through jiggling. 3.) its not a collision, you're moving the object and then projecting it so its not a true transfer of force like if a trunk rear-ends a smartcar.

yeah, I bet they're all small school state champs so you know much better than they do

class A 3200m champ with a time of 9:02 wrote:

yeah, I bet they're all small school state champs so you know much better than they do

sooooooo....

It's probably just easier to maintain a lot of muscle if you also have fat.

[3.1]Miles Davis wrote:

class A 3200m champ with a time of 9:02 wrote:

yeah, I bet they're all small school state champs so you know much better than they do

sooooooo....

I mean, I liked "Kind of Blue," but Sandoval and Bergeron are better. Also, "So What" is overrated but Freddie Freeloader is good stuff.

class A 3200m champ with a time of 9:02 wrote:

I mean, I liked "Kind of Blue," but Sandoval and Bergeron are better. Also, "So What" is overrated but Freddie Freeloader is good stuff.

"so what" essentially created modal jazz! The motif persists throughout kind of blue and has been quoted by pretty much every significant jazz artist since. Not to mention some miles davis's most patient, well thought out, and expanded upon soloing of his career. So what is a master piece

sadfsadaa wrote:

It's probably just easier to maintain a lot of muscle if you also have fat.

I believe this is basically it. In order to become a very strong and massive human, you need to put on some fat along with the muscle.

[3.1]Miles Davis wrote:

class A 3200m champ with a time of 9:02 wrote:

I mean, I liked "Kind of Blue," but Sandoval and Bergeron are better. Also, "So What" is overrated but Freddie Freeloader is good stuff.

"so what" essentially created modal jazz! The motif persists throughout kind of blue and has been quoted by pretty much every significant jazz artist since. Not to mention some miles davis's most patient, well thought out, and expanded upon soloing of his career. So what is a master piece

"A Night in Tunisia" is a masterpiece imo.

"So What" is an incredibly good piece, just overhyped. Davis' cover of "Straight No Chaser" is underhyped and (once again imo) better than the original.

[3.1]Miles Davis wrote:

This is not a bash. Those people are strong AF and superb athletes. Just wondering why practically all throwers are fat. There don't really seem to be any just buff dudes throwing, they always seem to be carrying an extra 50-60 pounds. Is there a performance reason for this. Does it help them thrown in some way? How come is all I'm wondering?

Exactly dude I keep telling everyone this! Just hit the weight room really hard every day and you will make big GAINZ! I hit it all day every day until theres puke coming out of my nostrils and now my biceps are as big as my thighs!

You gotta be a lean machine, not a fatty! Trade in some of that jiggle for rock hard lady wetting MUSCLE!

In the sports where excess fat is an advantage (hammer, shot, to some extent discus) here is why:

shot: putting the shot mainly involves acceleration in the vertical direction, i.e. pushing the shot upward. High cross-sectional mass is a big advantage, favoring thick-trunked endomorphs who tend to be fat.

hammer, discus: considering the rotating thrower and implement as single spinning object, the concentration of mass in the center (thrower's fat gut) lowers the moment of inertia relative to the system's overall mass, so that it is accelerated more easily.

Javelin doesn't favor fat people. And baseball pitching and cricket bowling especially doesn't. Shot, hammer and discus are weird.

Bad Wigins wrote:

In the sports where excess fat is an advantage (hammer, shot, to some extent discus) here is why:

shot: putting the shot mainly involves acceleration in the vertical direction, i.e. pushing the shot upward. High cross-sectional mass is a big advantage, favoring thick-trunked endomorphs who tend to be fat.

hammer, discus: considering the rotating thrower and implement as single spinning object, the concentration of mass in the center (thrower's fat gut) lowers the moment of inertia relative to the system's overall mass, so that it is accelerated more easily.

Javelin doesn't favor fat people. And baseball pitching and cricket bowling especially doesn't. Shot, hammer and discus are weird.

Look at running & jumping events. Any excess weight for one's event is an impediment. In running &/or jumping athletes are fighting gravity with their body. The throwers are fighting gravity with an object. It's interesting that the most elite javelin throwers and NFL QB's tend to be the same height & weight. Look at moment of release for Hail Mary throw from the 30 or 40 yard line (60 or 70 yard throw). Look at moment of release of javelin. At that fraction of a second, it's the same motion.

Fat probably doesn't help (though I've never seen a truly lean thrower, so some fat probably is a plus), but it certainly doesn't seem to hurt. It helps to be big, period, and if there is anything big people like to do, it's eat!

Brian Oldfield was one of the lowest bodyfat big throwers, but he also was on every roid known to science, in addition to just being generally insane.

https://goo.gl/images/DbkWfS

Human can only 5kg of muscle per kg of skeleton weight. But in some way a bit of extra fat can help people up that ratio . Something like that, memory is hazy but he definitely covered it.

ironside wrote:

Look at running & jumping events. Any excess weight for one's event is an impediment. In running &/or jumping athletes are fighting gravity with their body. The throwers are fighting gravity with an object. It's interesting that the most elite javelin throwers and NFL QB's tend to be the same height & weight. Look at moment of release for Hail Mary throw from the 30 or 40 yard line (60 or 70 yard throw). Look at moment of release of javelin. At that fraction of a second, it's the same motion.

Indeed. Terry Bradshaw once held the national high school record in the javelin throw, and has said that javelin technique carried over to his football throwing.

The football throw should be an IAAF event. Drop one of the others, discus IMO.

Also the baseball throw, or a ball very similar to a baseball which is really the basic thing to throw.

asdfasd wrote:

Force = Mass * Acceleration

In throwing, you accelerate your body mass and then try to transfer that kinetic energy in to the object you are throwing. So the bigger body mass you accelerate, the more force upon transfer.

All of the above is used in the spinning technique.