vivalarepublica wrote:
You know what this guy, Sondre Moen, and the Robertsons (and Bob Kennedy, the original live and train with the Kenyans guy) all prove? The culture and altitude of Kenya result in the...results.
Now if we could get some American cheaper training camps at altitude, we would be better.
You forgot Dieter Baumann. He also spent a lot of time in Kenya. The local toothpaste was his favorite.
El Keniano wrote:
Better video of the Barcelona Half.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Mr_LW_P_k
Also, pretty sure that the winner was wearing the Vaporfly 4%.
Minty and yet a hit of blood wrote:
vivalarepublica wrote:
You know what this guy, Sondre Moen, and the Robertsons (and Bob Kennedy, the original live and train with the Kenyans guy) all prove? The culture and altitude of Kenya result in the...results.
Now if we could get some American cheaper training camps at altitude, we would be better.
You forgot Dieter Baumann. He also spent a lot of time in Kenya. The local toothpaste was his favorite.
That's my American bias coming through.
English subtitles coming soon...
El Keniano wrote:
Great video of his life at home in Kenya. One of the more insightful videos of this kind; includes a short cameo by Sondre Moen. These two are the real deal. Also, notice how generally well-liked and accepted they are, by the locals.
http://www.athle.ch/2018/02/07/reportage-video-exclusif-julien-wanders-a-maison-kenya/
Blessings to whoever put the Bowie in there
The video WITH ENGLISH SUBTITLES: https://vimeo.com/255808011
The video WITH ENGLISH SUBTITLES: https://vimeo.com/255808011
ATHLE.ch wrote:
The video WITH ENGLISH SUBTITLES:
https://vimeo.com/255808011
Did that cat snag a Kenyan girlfriend? Well done, bro. Living the dream!
mountainrunnerrr wrote:
3:57.xx wrote:
I lived in iten off and in for 3 years in the early 2000's. My coat was MINIMAL. For example:
Monthly rent in shared house- $40
Electricity shared- $4
Maid/cook- $20 (a bit higher than typical)
Food- ~$100 (high because of my insistence on meat 4x wk)
Gas- $0
My point being, it certainly doesn't take wealthy parents to live and train there...not in the least.
just another addition to my previous response, you don't have to be rich to live in Iten but I don't know so many parents who would let their child train full time as a pro athlete in another country just to train without scholarship.
I mean this is the biggest weakness of long distance running in Europe we don't have enough big clubs to support the athletes financially unlike cycling. In cycling if you aren't the best rider of your country it's fine you can still earn a pretty decent salary, if you are at the bottom of the top 100 even top 200 in somes countries like germany/Spain/France/Britain you can still earn between 1000/2000 euros per month + sponsorships appareance fees etc.
This is not true. I did not start making over 2000 euros a month until I signed with a World Tour Team on a basic salary where I was earning €3500 a month. On the national circuit, when I was ranked just outside top-15 at one time, I had to work part-time flexi through companies associated with my team to survive. I had very small sponsorship deals with the team sponsors and that was all. My salary depended on performance and nothing was guaranteed.
It wasn't until I was 3 years pro and got a salary bump when I was earning a good salary but I was in the top 200 in the world when it happened. The minimum salary for a rider under 25 on a World Tour Team is under €30000 and only 25000 per year for the Continental Tour. This to race 150 times a year for and be among the best in the world.
Ex-pro rida wrote:
mountainrunnerrr wrote:
just another addition to my previous response, you don't have to be rich to live in Iten but I don't know so many parents who would let their child train full time as a pro athlete in another country just to train without scholarship.
I mean this is the biggest weakness of long distance running in Europe we don't have enough big clubs to support the athletes financially unlike cycling. In cycling if you aren't the best rider of your country it's fine you can still earn a pretty decent salary, if you are at the bottom of the top 100 even top 200 in somes countries like germany/Spain/France/Britain you can still earn between 1000/2000 euros per month + sponsorships appareance fees etc.
This is not true. I did not start making over 2000 euros a month until I signed with a World Tour Team on a basic salary where I was earning €3500 a month. On the national circuit, when I was ranked just outside top-15 at one time, I had to work part-time flexi through companies associated with my team to survive. I had very small sponsorship deals with the team sponsors and that was all. My salary depended on performance and nothing was guaranteed.
It wasn't until I was 3 years pro and got a salary bump when I was earning a good salary but I was in the top 200 in the world when it happened. The minimum salary for a rider under 25 on a World Tour Team is under €30000 and only 25000 per year for the Continental Tour. This to race 150 times a year for and be among the best in the world.
I really hope one day countries like Kenya will be able to support their up and coming athletes like this. Right now, no one from a big city or a middle class family would consider sports as a viable living or alternative to college. Who knows how many potential world beaters have been lost to "real" professions.
Just look at the way Julien Wanders is shaped. It's very atypical for a white athlete to be as stick-thin as he is. Many white athletes are thin, but you can see that they are just skinny guys fit onto a mesomorph skeletal structure. Ben True and Andy Vernon have mesomorph-like bodies.
Julien, on the other hand, has incredibly small calves and has East African-like body proportions and limb shape. He has a Nilotic physique - just look at those springy, stick-like limbs that remind you more of Kalenjin than of Swiss people.This is why he is so fast.
There are several papers mentioning how East Africans are so successful not because of their VO2 max, but because of their morphology and excellent biomechanics.
Look at the way he runs. It's incredibly Kenyan-like. Most white runners simply don't run like this.
Incredible.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Rest in Peace Adrian Lehmann - 2:11 Swiss marathoner. Dies of heart attack.