From our boots on the ground in Boston.
From our boots on the ground in Boston.
Ches is 0.99 sec off the world indoor record. F it, he should go for it.
This is going to be a Komen-esque season for King Ches. You heard it here first.
I meant to say that his age was relevant in high school and perhaps in college but not now.
rojo wrote:
Plus last year Cheserek ran 3:52.01 indoors and then promptly got destroyed in the mile at NCAAs two weeks later by 2.20 seconds.
Did Ches steal your wife or something? There's like 15 posts on this thread and 5 of them are you trying to downplay or discredit his run.
Newsflash: 2nd fastest indoor miler ever. Give him credit (not "good job, but [insert 2 ways to tear him down]) or quit posting.
rojo wrote:
Plus last year Cheserek ran 3:52.01 indoors and then promptly got destroyed in the mile at NCAAs two weeks later by 2.20 seconds.
Yeah you're right rojo, Ches is way overrated and his ability to break the NCAA record and then 1 year later run the 2nd fastest indoor time ever is just a fluke. He's probably not even top 20 in the world right now.
Gault says that Kidder rabbitted for 850 and Piazza made it to almost 1200.
rojo wrote:
The only thing that bothers me is is 100% don't believe he should hold any US HS records due to questions about his age. Well not even questions. By his own admission he was at least 19 in February of his senior year. If you are 19, you should be in college.
Rojo
But pretty much all states allow 19 year old seniors to compete and be eligible (as long as they don't turn 20 at any time during high school). Why single out Cheserek?
YEAH BUDDY wrote:
What's the matter, rojo? Grumpy at all the publicity FloTrack got?
No. I like being contrarian. Plus I understand the sport.
I didn't pay to watch. I was happy to wait for the results to pop up on the screen. Reminds me of Rupp talk a few years ago.
Macdaddy wrote:
Did Ches steal your wife or something? There's like 15 posts on this thread and 5 of them are you trying to downplay or discredit his run.
Newsflash: 2nd fastest indoor miler ever. Give him credit (not "good job, but [insert 2 ways to tear him down]) or quit posting.
I would say: speak for yourself. I appreciate Rojo's context here. Also, it's his site, so he can share his opinion irrespective of your willingness to hear it.
rojo wrote:
YEAH BUDDY wrote:
What's the matter, rojo? Grumpy at all the publicity FloTrack got?
No. I like being contrarian. Plus I understand the sport.
I didn't pay to watch. I was happy to wait for the results to pop up on the screen. Reminds me of Rupp talk a few years ago.
Coached Fitness Blogger wrote:
It really is 3:49.35 accoding to NCAA converting. Fact.
Dumb as shyte wrote:
Yeah, and NCAA conversion also gave two b-tier Africans an easily-sub world record conversion in the mile a year or two ago. Daniels is far more accurate and gives him a 3:53. Kip Keino ran 3:53 at altitude in 1967 when only Jim Ryun had ever run faster than 3:53. The only reason we don't see a lot of fast miles at altitude is that there aren't a lot of top-tier mile races at altitude. I'm glad to see Ches racing well, but this is in no way a 3:49 equivalent.
It turns out that Cheserek ran 3:49.44 TODAY at sea level in Boston.
rojo wrote:
I'm glad that he broke 3:50 but as I said in another thread perspective is needed here. I'll re-post what I wrote in that thread.
tzzy03 wrote:
Hope the running world is ready for someone of this talent..
Let's don't get carried away here. I'm happy to see Cheserek is doing well. The only thing that bothers me is is 100% don't believe he should hold any US HS records due to questions about his age. Well not even questions. By his own admission he was at least 19 in February of his senior year. If you are 19, you should be in college.
But now he's listed as being 24. Do you think the World hasn't seen a sub-3:50 miler at 24? You think that's unprecedented. Really?
It's only making big waves because it's indoors. In my mind (and possibly Nick Willis's), indoors is probably almost just as fast as outdoors for the mile. There is zero wind. Temp is 70.
Anyways, 3:50 is equivalent to 3:32.9 for 1500. Last year, there were 12 men that broke 3:33 for 1500 and 5 of them were younger than Cheserek who was born in 1994 - Timothy Cheriyot (3:29.10, born in 1995), Ronald Kwemoi\ (3:30.89 born in 1995) , Charles Simotwo (3:32.59, born in 1995) , Yomif Kejelcha (3:32.04, born in 97), Justus Soget (3:32.97, born in 99).
Kejelcha's listed age is 3.5 years younger than Ches.
When Caleb Ndiku was Cheserek's age, he had already run 3:29.50 in the 1500, 12:59 in the 5000 and won World Championship silver in the 5000.
So yes, I think the world is ready for someone of his talent. It's running on the DL circuit every single year but a Western bias prevents most people from appreciating it.
Don't misunderstand me. Cheserek is a beast and it's great that Americans are paying attention to a Kenyan talent and recognizing it as being something special - it's just sad that they have to go to school over her (and enjoy all the advantages of the Western world) to be properly appreciated.
Rojo
Don't minimize sub 3:50. You guys certainly didn't minimize Rupp running 3:50. And many athletes in highschool compete at age 19 is it only a big deal when they are succesful?
zxcvxcvx wrote:
There are often 5 major circuit miles outdoors, Pre, London, Oslo, sometimes Rome, and at least one other. Yet, sub 3:50 is not often run. So, this is a very impressive result. I was absolutely wrong in predicting he wouldn't do it and would run 3:51 or high 3:50, but I have to say I was second-guessing my prediction a bit when I was reminded by the Haas article that he'd already run 3:52.01 indoors last year, that he was training at altitude for the first time, and that his mileage had risen to 100 per week. All of that, plus the ABQ and the flat track result, did suggest that he was very much ready to drop considerable time.
A sub 3:50 outdoors has happened just 61 times. Only 43 times has someone run faster than this (3:49.44) outdoors. This time has been beaten outside just 22 times since 2000. That makes it very solid. Last year, the only guys to beat this time were Kwemoi and Manangoi, and neither beat 3:49. Give it its due. For whatever reason, a poor sense of pace, not really preparing for the extra distance, mental hangups like the Algerian lion has mentioned in going from 1500m to mile, the 1500m to mile equivalents are rarely achieved. Props to Cheserek and at this point his age is irrelevant. When he was competing in high school it was. As for his age relative to other Kenyans, who can say because age cheating is so rampant?
The main reason why no one breaks 3:50 outdoors is simple.
1) It's hardly ever run. Every year at least 12 guys do the equivalent in a 1500.
2) When the mile is run, it's a cluster****. In a 1500, you have 100 meters to get in position before you have to run extra ground on a turn. In a mile, at somewhere like Pre, you have 15 world class guys battling for position immediately as there is a turn 9 meters after the start of the race. As a result, most guys waste A LOT of energy fighting at the start. How much does that cost them in time? I have no idea - half a second's worth.
3) And then they have to run extra ground as there are a ton of people in the race and they started on a turn.
Do you realize that one turn in lane 2 is an extra 3.8 meters? At 3:50 mile pace, a runner cover 6.996 meters per second. So if they run just the firs turn in lane 2, just one turn of extra distance, there is an extra .55 seconds.
Indoors in a one off like this, he's running exactly a mile. He's not battling for position and there is ZERO wind. That's why I think indoors is probably faster than outdoors if you are comparing a time trial like this to a race like Pre.
Rojo, why are you even bringing up his age? He isn't in high school or college anymore. He's a professional runner. He's a grown man.
No one here is interested in the age he was when he ran 3:49. Just that he did it at all. Guerroj, Coghlan, and Lagat are the only others to accomplish that feat. The least accomplished of those men only had one world gold medal.
3:49 indoors is big league.
This is pretty impressive times. We are yet to see Cheserek full potentials.
Here's the thing, rojo brings up valid points and supports his opinion with facts (at least in this case). But I have so few fellow people who share my excitement for elite running. When I see a historically fast performance and head to LRC to see the reaction of some of the few others out there who share this excitement, it kind of sucks to see someone pooping all over it, especially when it's by one of the site's co-founders. Ok I get it, some people are overreacting, but cmon man.
Here's a vid of the finish.
I was trying to debate what I thought Ches would run before the race. I think the NCAA flat track conversion from Camel Cit would be 3:51 and altitude one fro the week before was like 3:49.
In hindsight, I should have known he was going to break 3:50 becasue OF COURSE he's better than Rupp at the mile. Rupp couldn't break 4:00 for half his college career. Ches was winning NCAA mile titles.
rojo,
Do you realize how many studs have run indoors for him to #2 all-time?
Your post is ill-advised.
Kudos, King Ches. You have been validated.
What? If indoors is faster than outdoors, then why has nobody run 3:43-44 indoors? El G’s indoor world record is 5+ seconds slower than his outdoor world record. That theory isn’t as applicable as you think it is.
Many fast steps for King Ches, One great step forward for Sketchers.
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