Halviking wrote:
Jakob is not professional since Norway does not have a system like here in the USA. He is a good runner, good enough to make money.
That US runner chose not to make money is not Jakob's fault.
If USA runners want to be fast and poor, well, that is up to them. I would call it stupid.
Well... technically Norway has some of the highest tax rates so I’d wager a poor American is wealthier than a wealthy Norwegian.
This is a joke, right?
Korrection wrote:
westsouthrunner wrote:
Example Keljecha ran 7:53 as a 15 year old and 7:42 as a 17 year old. I personally ever heard of him on letsrun until he went sub 13 and competed at the diamond league level.
Also comparing him to fernandez isnt exactly fair in my eyes because German had to run all of those extra track meets that probably did nothing for him. I dont know how often Ingebrigtsen has to race but I feel as though he trains like a pro not a high schooler. he is faster than german was for now though.
You mean the Kejelcha that ran 7:53 as an 18 year old posing as 15 year old? I don't think anyone takes their junior times seriously. They're taken as senior times.
What good is integrity in track and field if everyone were to just jump to conclusions and believe in them as facts. With this logic Ingebrigtsen could be 19 for all we know.
westsouthrunner wrote:
With this logic Ingebrigtsen could be 19 for all we know.
Oh shut up. Norweigians have reliable birth certificates, Ethiopians don't.
German ran 3:55 at 18 indoors. In high school, he was injured much of the time, as in college, but ran that 4/8:34 double within 2 hrs, and on very limited mileage and with no elite athletes to run with, unlike Jakob, who is coached by his father, a professional coach, and trains with his two world elite older brothers. He can go to altitude and sea level. He has substantial advantages. That helps to explain how he can be faster than any American high schooler at the 1500/mile at this age. German was 17 when he did that double, by the way, and it was in a high school only race. He was good enough to contend for the win in NCAA xc and win outdoors in the 1500m as a freshman, front-running the whole way. He later ran 3:34 with just a few months of health. Too bad they never could solve his health problems.
At the present moment, Fernandez has PBs of:
- 3:34.6
- 3:55.0
- 7:53.6 (however, he went faster than that on an indoor oversized track)
- 13:25
Jakob has PBs of:
- 3:39.9
- 3:56.2
- 7:56.7
- 13:35
So at this point, Fernandez has had the better career. Maybe at the end of the summer it won't be the case anymore, time will tell.
(Jakob does have an 8:26 steeple and participated at the WC, so I could be convinced that Jakob may have done more as a result, but not in all the other events)
I think that German ran 7:47 indoors when he was sick. You could see it in the interview. He had tremendous talent. A shame that it never came together--and probably the vegetarianism sophomore year, leading to anemia, was the root of a lot of it.
no liquori wrote:
He effectively has all the resources of a professional runner, and trains in the same group as professionals. This makes him a professional, regardless of whether or not he is getting paid. It's the same as Mary Cain during her last year of HS. Except Jakob is not as good relative to the top men as Mary was relative to the top women in terms of international performance.
In this context, it doesn't make sense to compare him to amateur high school runners in the US. His closest competitors would be the equivalent cohort in Kenya. And age discrepancies aside, the Kenyan "teens" would eat him alive on the track. This is why people aren't as excited.
All the resources: shoes and a coach?
kartelite wrote:
yyy wrote:
He is doing altitude training on a regular basis. How many of his American peers do this?
Staying healthy I see a 13:00 guy in a few years (I think both J and H will gravitate towards this event).
Sure he's got training advantages that American high schoolers don't, but you really see Jakob as a Ben True type talent (13:02 5k PR)?
Absolutely. Are you forgetting he is the younger brothers of a 5th placer in the Olympics and a world bronze in the 1500m? Remember, he is running as fast as they are in training. He will break 3.36 this year. No doubt. Merber who?
Evenbetter wrote:
I am confident that Jakob will run 13:00 and prob sub 13 someday. He ran 13:36 pretty much solo in his first 5k and last season he could have gone 13:25 in a good race.
This year if he goes for it I wouldn't be surprised if he dipped into 13:1x.
He has the motivation and ambition to become the best, he has said himself that if he doesn't become the best, all of his sacrifices will have been for nothing.
It was not solo, Sondre Norstad Moen was in front until the last lap.
Er... wrote:
Ehn...I'm not convinced that the pseudo-"professional" training benefits that he has available to him make much of a difference. His performances may be slightly improved by his surroundings but the results are overwhelmingly thanks to his genes and commitment. And the Kenyan comparison makes no sense to me--he'd do just fine against Kenyans his age.
Its several reasons to why he is this good. He started young, he is training seriously like swimmers, tennis players and other sports that starts early with 'professional training'. Track and field is far behind regarding this aspect. Though, probably the most important part is that they have a training program thats already been proven successfull with his two brothers and has given Jacob great success. Theres no trying and failing with different approaches, theres no college cross, indoor track and outdoor track where he would have to race over and over and burn out. Its a long term plan. Thats something a lot of americans for example is missing. It seems Drew Hunter got this going for him though.
Let the facts be known wrote:
Halviking wrote:
Jakob is not professional since Norway does not have a system like here in the USA. He is a good runner, good enough to make money.
That US runner chose not to make money is not Jakob's fault.
If USA runners want to be fast and poor, well, that is up to them. I would call it stupid.
Well... technically Norway has some of the highest tax rates so I’d wager a poor American is wealthier than a wealthy Norwegian.
Can't stop laughing. You have to be trolling
GFer wrote:
People here were nutting themselves when German Fernandez ran 4:00.x/8:34.x for a 1600/3200 outdoor double. Both of Jakob's times are intrinsically better (worth around 3:59.x and 8:30-31), and he is 1) younger, 2) running indoors in early February, and 3) apparently solo so not even sure if he was trying that hard without video evidence.
People here DGAF since Jakob's not American?
Apparently you DGAF or you wouldn't be making a big deal about it. This isn't a breakthrough. Anyone who was paying attention last year was already blown away and many threads on him. Lastly obviously being American helps when a large percent are Americans.
This kid is already world class and he is on pace to make that next small step to the podium.
What's the contract through 2024 worth? As much as Drew Hunter's? He is superior in the 5000m, and a few years younger.
Evenbetter wrote:
I am confident that Jakob will run 13:00 and prob sub 13 someday. He ran 13:36 pretty much solo in his first 5k and last season he could have gone 13:25 in a good race.
This year if he goes for it I wouldn't be surprised if he dipped into 13:1x.
He has the motivation and ambition to become the best, he has said himself that if he doesn't become the best, all of his sacrifices will have been for nothing.
No, he ran in the 13:40s in his first 5k, and ran his 13:35 in a race where Filip basically paced him through 4K. Not a solo effort at all. Also, his best event outdoors is evidently the steeple given that it’s the only event he qualified for worlds in. I could see him run in the 13:20s, but he should focus on the 1500 and steeple. I don’t think he’s gonna be strong enough to break 13:20 this year, especially since neither of his brothers have done that yet. But I’m future years he could definitely be under 13:10.
zvxcvxcv wrote:
German was 17 when he did that double, by the way, and it was in a high school only race. He was good enough to contend for the win in NCAA xc and win outdoors in the 1500m as a freshman, front-running the whole way. He later ran 3:34 with just a few months of health. Too bad they never could solve his health problems.
He was absolutely never good enough to contend for the win in NCAA xc that year. Galen Rupp and Sam Chelanga went 1-2 that fall at NCAAs, btw. He wasn’t even close to their level. He was super talented and fast, but don’t be ridiculous.
HI has run 7:44 indoor and 13:27 early in the season. He was certainly able to break 13:20.
yyy wrote:
HI has run 7:44 indoor and 13:27 early in the season. He was certainly able to break 13:20.
7:45* and he definitely could be well under 13:20 (if not under 13:10), but capabilities are one thing, actual times run are another.
