J. Ingebrigtsen 7:56.74/3:42.75 double indoor

Yes.

GFer wrote:

Seyta wrote:

The majority of visitors to this site are American. Of course they're going to be more excited about an American kid performing well. Why on Earth would you think otherwise?

Fair enough. I'm Norwegian American so excited the old country finally has some distance talent. Good to see a sprint talent as well in Warholm, 45.59i is a nice time for a flat 400m runner even. German's 3:55i was insane (younger than Webb?), really thought he could have gone on to be a world beater.

For a lot of people, it probably doesn't help that he's basically a professional. He's trained with his world-class brothers for effectively his entire career, so it makes perfect sense that he should be far above his peers. It's a case even more extreme than Lukas Verzbicas or Drew Hunter.

Jakob is not professional since Norway does not have a system like here in the USA. He is a good runner, good enough to make money.

That US runner chose not to make money is not Jakob's fault.

If USA runners want to be fast and poor, well, that is up to them. I would call it stupid.

Halviking wrote:

Jakob is not professional since Norway does not have a system like here in the USA. He is a good runner, good enough to make money.

That US runner chose not to make money is not Jakob's fault.

If USA runners want to be fast and poor, well, that is up to them. I would call it stupid.

He effectively has all the resources of a professional runner, and trains in the same group as professionals. This makes him a professional, regardless of whether or not he is getting paid. It's the same as Mary Cain during her last year of HS. Except Jakob is not as good relative to the top men as Mary was relative to the top women in terms of international performance.

In this context, it doesn't make sense to compare him to amateur high school runners in the US. His closest competitors would be the equivalent cohort in Kenya. And age discrepancies aside, the Kenyan "teens" would eat him alive on the track. This is why people aren't as excited.

USA has chosen one system. But do not call it amateur. Amateur means that no one gets paid, not even the coaches.

No other countries use as much money on track than the USA. It is just that the USA has chosen to put some rules about how everything is organized. Coaches get paid so it is not amateurism.

Using the whole "Jakob is professional" is just a bad excuse. It is a lot of money in HS and NCAA track, but for some reason, Americans do not want the athletes to get any. I think that is stupid.

Middledist wrote:

zxcvxcvc wrote:

Tripling makes it worse. It's not that I'm unimpressed by the performance for a 17 year old, but that for this athlete, it is not surprising or eye-opening to run slower times than he has or was capable of. This is a kid who ran 8:25 in the steeple last year!

Did he run the 1500/3k within 2 hrs like German?

He ran all this times solo, did the german do that?

Actually, yes.

Njjkkkk wrote:

7:56 doesn't seem controlled to me.

That's probably because you can't break 10

self control wrote:

Njjkkkk wrote:

7:56 doesn't seem controlled to me.

That's probably because you can't break 10

Maybe.

But i can't break 11 either.

3:55i wrote:

Middledist wrote:

He ran all this times solo, did the german do that?

Actually, yes.

Jakob ran times last year as a 16 year old that were similar to Fernandez' times as an 18 year old. We'll see what Jakob runs by August. Will be interesting if he continues healthy.

He is doing altitude training on a regular basis. How many of his American peers do this?

Staying healthy I see a 13:00 guy in a few years (I think both J and H will gravitate towards this event).

yyy wrote:

He is doing altitude training on a regular basis. How many of his American peers do this?

Staying healthy I see a 13:00 guy in a few years (I think both J and H will gravitate towards this event).

Sure he's got training advantages that American high schoolers don't, but you really see Jakob as a Ben True type talent (13:02 5k PR)?

I am confident that Jakob will run 13:00 and prob sub 13 someday. He ran 13:36 pretty much solo in his first 5k and last season he could have gone 13:25 in a good race.

This year if he goes for it I wouldn't be surprised if he dipped into 13:1x.

He has the motivation and ambition to become the best, he has said himself that if he doesn't become the best, all of his sacrifices will have been for nothing.

yes, I do. He may be more talented than his brothers. They have run 3:31/3:32 with a number of injuries (several stress fractures and what not). They all have a very good conversion 800m/1500m and as I said, both H and J will run a very fast 5000m in the future.

Ehn...I'm not convinced that the pseudo-"professional" training benefits that he has available to him make much of a difference. His performances may be slightly improved by his surroundings but the results are overwhelmingly thanks to his genes and commitment. And the Kenyan comparison makes no sense to me--he'd do just fine against Kenyans his age.

no liquori wrote:

He effectively has all the resources of a professional runner, and trains in the same group as professionals. This makes him a professional, regardless of whether or not he is getting paid. It's the same as Mary Cain during her last year of HS. Except Jakob is not as good relative to the top men as Mary was relative to the top women in terms of international performance.

In this context, it doesn't make sense to compare him to amateur high school runners in the US. His closest competitors would be the equivalent cohort in Kenya. And age discrepancies aside, the Kenyan "teens" would eat him alive on the track. This is why people aren't as excited.

yyy wrote:

He is doing altitude training on a regular basis. How many of his American peers do this?

Staying healthy I see a 13:00 guy in a few years (I think both J and H will gravitate towards this event).

Every US runner living in Colorado and in other states with high altitude.

GFer wrote:

People here were nutting themselves when German Fernandez ran 4:00.x/8:34.x for a 1600/3200 outdoor double. Both of Jakob's times are intrinsically better (worth around 3:59.x and 8:30-31), and he is 1) younger, 2) running indoors in early February, and 3) apparently solo so not even sure if he was trying that hard without video evidence.

People here DGAF since Jakob's not American?

I believe they care but if he was african would they care?

westsouthrunner wrote:

GFer wrote:

People here were nutting themselves when German Fernandez ran 4:00.x/8:34.x for a 1600/3200 outdoor double. Both of Jakob's times are intrinsically better (worth around 3:59.x and 8:30-31), and he is 1) younger, 2) running indoors in early February, and 3) apparently solo so not even sure if he was trying that hard without video evidence.

People here DGAF since Jakob's not American?

I believe they care but if he was african would they care?

Example Keljecha ran 7:53 as a 15 year old and 7:42 as a 17 year old. I personally ever heard of him on letsrun until he went sub 13 and competed at the diamond league level.

Also comparing him to fernandez isnt exactly fair in my eyes because German had to run all of those extra track meets that probably did nothing for him. I dont know how often Ingebrigtsen has to race but I feel as though he trains like a pro not a high schooler. he is faster than german was for now though.

westsouthrunner wrote:

westsouthrunner wrote:

I believe they care but if he was african would they care?

Example Keljecha ran 7:53 as a 15 year old and 7:42 as a 17 year old. I personally ever heard of him on letsrun until he went sub 13 and competed at the diamond league level.

Also comparing him to fernandez isnt exactly fair in my eyes because German had to run all of those extra track meets that probably did nothing for him. I dont know how often Ingebrigtsen has to race but I feel as though he trains like a pro not a high schooler. he is faster than german was for now though.

You mean the Kejelcha that ran 7:53 as an 18 year old posing as 15 year old? I don't think anyone takes their junior times seriously. They're taken as senior times.

GFer wrote:

People here were nutting themselves when German Fernandez ran 4:00.x/8:34.x for a 1600/3200 outdoor double. Both of Jakob's times are intrinsically better (worth around 3:59.x and 8:30-31), and he is 1) younger, 2) running indoors in early February, and 3) apparently solo so not even sure if he was trying that hard without video evidence.

People here DGAF since Jakob's not American?

You must be new here. There's been lots of talk about Ingebrigtsen the last two years. Given his last two years this particular result is not that special.