Watching a couple of his faster 3,000m races and although they ended up with pretty quick times, it seemed both here were poorly paced with 61 and 62s thrown into each race and only reason they were so quick was the last 1,000m. Does anyone recall if any of Bekele's 3,000m were billed as WR attempts or were they just races that ended up fast?
If he had better pacing, what do you think Bekele could of done in the 3,000m?
amazing how quick the gaps open once he made his move
m!ndweak wrote:
it would be nice to have both of his races you posted 200m and 400m splits and vs komens WR 200m and 400m splits
Always looking for a handout huh?
here you go..............I missed the first 2 splits of Komen's race but based them off the 3rd lap/1km time and what announcers said. Both were on their own the last km but obviously way faster pacing in Komen's race
Bekele 7:26.69 Bekele 7:25.79 Komen WR 7:20.69
200m : 28.25 28.1 29.13
600m : 60.06 60.12 57.5
1,000m : 61.29 61.23 59.26
1,400m : 61.92 62.2 57.66
1,800m : 60.95 59.09 59.91
2,200m : 58.84 59.05 58.37
2,600m : 58.35 60.07 59.75
3,000m: 57.08 56.04 59.09
1st km = 2:29.57 2:29.45 2:25.89
2nd km = 2:33.15 2:30.43 2:27.29
3rd km = 2:23.99 2:25.92 2:27.49
even if Bekele had done 60's instead of those laps near 62, it would have been around 7:23
El G tried but the pacing was a bit off.
He still got very close, 2.4 seconds shy.
So only 0.8 seconds per kilometre off the pace.
Farah was in the first race, his finishing speed not yet fully developed.
spotter wrote:
Farah was in the first race, his blood was not yet fully doped.
fify
It's likely that any arbitrarily-chosen 400 meters of Komen's performance (not just the splits) would be under 60 seconds.
Tron wrote:
here you go..............I missed the first 2 splits of Komen's race but based them off the 3rd lap/1km time and what announcers said. Both were on their own the last km but obviously way faster pacing in Komen's race
Bekele 7:26.69 Bekele 7:25.79 Komen WR 7:20.69
200m : 28.25 28.1 29.13
600m : 60.06 60.12 57.5
1,000m : 61.29 61.23 59.26
1,400m : 61.92 62.2 57.66
1,800m : 60.95 59.09 59.91
2,200m : 58.84 59.05 58.37
2,600m : 58.35 60.07 59.75
3,000m: 57.08 56.04 59.09
1st km = 2:29.57 2:29.45 2:25.89
2nd km = 2:33.15 2:30.43 2:27.29
3rd km = 2:23.99 2:25.92 2:27.49
You can enter those splits in here:
http://timescalculator.appspot.com/optimizerI can't do it now, but maybe someone else here can. What are the results?
spotter wrote:
Farah was in the first race, his finishing speed not yet fully developed.
Farah has always had finishing speed. What he didn't have was endurance.
Tron wrote:
here you go..............I missed the first 2 splits of Komen's race but based them off the 3rd lap/1km time and what announcers said. Both were on their own the last km but obviously way faster pacing in Komen's race
Bekele 7:26.69 Bekele 7:25.79 Komen WR 7:20.69
200m : 28.25 28.1 29.13
600m : 60.06 60.12 57.5
1,000m : 61.29 61.23 59.26
1,400m : 61.92 62.2 57.66
1,800m : 60.95 59.09 59.91
2,200m : 58.84 59.05 58.37
2,600m : 58.35 60.07 59.75
3,000m: 57.08 56.04 59.09
1st km = 2:29.57 2:29.45 2:25.89
2nd km = 2:33.15 2:30.43 2:27.29
3rd km = 2:23.99 2:25.92 2:27.49
Do you happen to have the splits for El G’s 7:23?
As far as I remember, it was not billed as a WR attempt. But even Bekele couldn't have run under Komen's mark. I am not convinced even El Guerrouj could've. I believe Komen had the highest ceiling of any athlete from distances between 1500-5000m, and the 3000m was him at this prime...
Creed wrote:
spotter wrote:
Farah was in the first race, his finishing speed not yet fully developed.
Farah has always had finishing speed. What he didn't have was endurance.
Even in slower races he never showed the same speed
El Guerrouj got closer. The pacer (I think it was doper Kaouch) slowed in the middle and Guerrouj then surged to too hard going around him trying to make it up. I think with better pacing he had a realistic chance of getting it but never made another attempt. I'm sure vent/calculo has thoughts on this.
Dingler wrote:
El Guerrouj got closer. The pacer (I think it was doper Kaouch) slowed in the middle and Guerrouj then surged to too hard going around him trying to make it up. I think with better pacing he had a realistic chance of getting it but never made another attempt. I'm sure vent/calculo has thoughts on this.
Yes I believe El G had a very good chance at getting this record.
As I said before he was only marginally off the pace, 0.8s per kilometre.
There is room for him to have run 7:20 flat or something with better pacing. Maybe Komen also could have run faster than his own world record but El G could have run 7:20 in my opinion.
3:26 1500, 4:44 2000m and sufficient 5k ability to beat prime 12:37 Bekele gave El G a great chance of 7:20.
Dingler wrote:
El Guerrouj got closer. The pacer (I think it was doper Kaouch) slowed in the middle and Guerrouj then surged to too hard going around him trying to make it up. I think with better pacing he had a realistic chance of getting it but never made another attempt. I'm sure vent/calculo has thoughts on this.
Yeah, El G got closer but looking at his race, it seemed like he was actually going for the record. Watching Bekele's, he's already 3 seconds down from WR after 1,000m so not really a good attempt at Komen's record.
Tron wrote:
Dingler wrote:
El Guerrouj got closer. The pacer (I think it was doper Kaouch) slowed in the middle and Guerrouj then surged to too hard going around him trying to make it up. I think with better pacing he had a realistic chance of getting it but never made another attempt. I'm sure vent/calculo has thoughts on this.
Yeah, El G got closer but looking at his race, it seemed like he was actually going for the record. Watching Bekele's, he's already 3 seconds down from WR after 1,000m so not really a good attempt at Komen's record.
He was going for the record, but his pacer let him down in the middle and so it became too difficult to break the record from there.
He picked up the pace too much dropping a few 57s to try and catch up and then he was too tired in the last 800m.
Probably just fast races. His 2k splits in both races were too slow to seriously challenge the record.