guesser wrote:
lily white and clean wrote:
Could you reiterate exactly what you are looking for in Non Africans?
Sub 12 minutes 5ks Sub 1 hr 45 min marathons etc shortly after an EPO injection ...
The improvements seen in the Spanish in the 1990s could largely be attributed to placebo effect, same for Lombard etc ...
Here are some excellent examples of the EPO placebo effect:
1 37′ 35″ Marco Pantani 1997 Italy
2* 37′ 36″ Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
3 38′ 00″ Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
4 38′ 01″ Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
5 38′ 04″ Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
6 38′ 23″ Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
7 38′ 34″ Floyd Landis 2006 United States
8 38′ 35″ Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
9* 38′ 37″ Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
10 39′ 02″ Richard Virenque 1997 France
11 39′ 06″ Iban Mayo 2003 Spain
12* 39′ 17″ Andreas Klöden 2004 Germany
13* 39′ 21″ Jose Azevedo 2004 Portugal
14 39′ 22″ Nairo Quintana 2015 Colombia
15 39′ 28″ Miguel Induráin 1995 Spain
16 39′ 28″ Alex Zülle 1995 Switzerland
17 39′ 30″ Bjarne Riis 1995 Denmark
18 39′ 31″ Carlos Sastre 2008 Spain
19 39′ 44″ Gianni Bugno 1991 Italy
20 39′ 45″ Miguel Induráin 1991 Spain
21 39′ 50″ Nairo Quintana 2013 Colombia
22 40′ 00″ Jan Ullrich 2001 Germany
23 40′ 46″ Fränk Schleck 2006 Luxembourg
24 40′ 51″ Alexander Vinokourov 2003 Kazakhstan
25 41′ 18″ Lance Armstrong 2003 United States
26 41′ 21″ Samuel Sánchez 2011 Spain
27 41′ 30″ Alberto Contador 2011 Spain
It’s the riders who have record the 35 fastest ascents of Alpe d’Huez in the history of the Tour de France, based on the ascent being 14.454 for each rider.
Of the 35 times, 24 were recorded by men we now know were drugs cheats, or who have been implicated in doping.
In 1999, the Italian newspaper la Repubblica published information that linked Marco Pantani to an investigation on the use of performance-enhancing substances in Italian sports. According to the information released by the newspaper, Francesco Conconi administered EPO to Italian athletes from 1993 to 1998, including Pantani and other cyclists of Carrera. It was revealed that Pantani's name appeared on a file marked "Dblab", seized from Conconi's Biomedical Research Institute at Ferrara.
In 2006, two years after his death, Pantani was linked to the OPERATION PUERTO doping case. According to documentation released by Spanish radio network Cadena SER, Pantani was allegedly given the code name "PTNI" by Eufemiano FUENTES, with a detailed program in 2003, his last season, including EPO, growth hormone, Insulin, Levothyroxine, and IGF-1. Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera indicated that he was administered over 40,000 units of EPO, seven doses of growth hormone, thirty doses of anabolic steroids and four doses of hormones used to treat menopause.
Purdy tables all-time performances by equivalent times:
1) Paula Radcliffe (multiple suspicious blood tests) GBR = 3000m 7:59.8, 5000m 13:52, 10000m 29:03, Marathon 2:15:25
2) Almaz Ayana (managed by Jos Hermens) ETH = 3000m 8:04.0, 5000m 13:59, 10000m 29:17
3) Wang Junxia CHINA (1993) = 8:06.11, 14:03, 29:25
4) Wang Junxia CHINA (1993) = 8:07.1, 14:05, 29:31
5) Vivian Cheruyiot KENYA = 8:07.5, 14:06, 29:32
6) Tirunesh Dibaba (at Sabadell, Spain EPO hotel) ETH =8:07.9, 14:11, 29:42
7) Meseret Defar (on leaked Atypical ABP list) = 8:11.8, 14:12.8, 29:47
8) Qu Yunxia CHINA (1993)= 8:12, 14:13, 29:47
9) Wang Junxia CHINA (1993) = 8:12, 14:13, 29:47
10) Qu Yunxia CHINA (1993) = 8:12, 14:13, 29:47
11) Almaz Ayana (managed by Jos Hermens) ETH = 8:12.8, 14:14, 29:50
12) Genzebe Dibaba (also at Sabadell, Spain EPO hotel) = 8:13.1, 14:15, 29:52
13) Almaz Ayana (managed by Jos Hermens) ETH =8:13.6, 14:16, 29:54
14) Meseret Defar (on leaked Atypical ABP list) ETH= 8:13.8, 14:16, 29:54
15) Tirunesh Dibaba (at Sabadell, Spain EPO hotel) ETH = 8:13.8, 14:16, 29:54
16) Elvan Abeylegesse (former Ethiopian running for Turkey, banned for DOPING) = 8:14.3, 14:17, 29:56
It is just a coincidence.
Top 11 all-time marathon times for women:
1 2:15:25 Paula Radcliffe (multiple suspicious blood tests, 21.88% increase in Hb in 2 days in 2003, 16.2 g/dL Hb level in 2012)
2 2:17:01 Mary Keitany (on leaked Fancy Bears Atypical ABP blood test result with follow up testing list)
3 2:17:18 Paula Radcliffe (multiple suspicious blood test results)
4 2:17:42 Paula Radcliffe (multiple suspicious blood test results)
5 2:17:56 Tirunesh Dibaba (bad luck, she was at the Sabadell Spain hotel with Genzebe and Jama during EPO raid)
6 2:18:20 Liliya Shobukhova (banned for doping with EPO, adverse ABP)
7 2:18:31 Tirunesh Dibaba (bad luck she was at the EPO raid in Sabadell)
8 2:18:37 Mary Keitany (Atypical ABP blood test result on Fancy Bears leaked list)
9 2:18:47 Catherine N'dereba....set in 2001. No ABP at the time.
10 2:18:56 Paula Radcliffe (multiple suspicious blood tests)
11 2:18:57a Rita Jeptoo (banned for doping with EPO)
The 2016 Olympic Marathon gold medalist Jemima Sumgong (and former training partner of Rita Jeptoo) has also been banned for doping with EPO.
‘The Independent Commission has identified corruption and bribery practices at the highest levels of international athletics, currently under investigation by Interpol.
‘The Independent Commission said that the IAAF was inexplicably lax in following up suspicious blood profiles. I witnessed symptoms of that disgraceful behaviour when I inspected a database drenched with suspect blood profiles. And I made comment accordingly.’
‘The IAAF pleads that it could not have done more. But the blood values were so extreme, over such an extended period, that they should have tried to do something — anything.
‘The IAAF were legally timid when they should have been morally strong.’
Parisotto went on to reveal that the findings he was asked to analyse from a huge database of IAAF blood test results was, in his words, ‘jaw-dropping data [that] drove me — in fact compelled me — to review the database’.
He added: ‘As a health professional, the data revealed to me that so many athletes were at real risk of suffering heart attacks, strokes and even death.
http://features.thesundaytimes.co.uk/web/public/2015/the-doping-scandal/index.html#/Aug. 9 2015:
The London Marathon was won seven times in 12 years by athletes who have recorded blood scores that indicate doping.
According to data leaked to the Sunday Times, one in four winners of the the big six global marathons - London, Boston, Chicago, New York, Berlin and Tokyo - have recorded suspicious blood scores.
The newspaper says they "should have faced censure or at least been investigated over evidence of potential blood doping within their test results." The athletes whose blood experts deemed suspicious collectively won more than £4 MILLION in prize money from marathons including Chicago, London, New York and Boston.
From the London Marathon, the legitimacy of seven winners, six runners-up and seven third places has been called into question.
Russian runner Liliya Shobukhova, who won the marathon in 2010 and was runner-up in 2011, was stripped of her title this year and had her results since 2009 annulled. It is claimed that she recorded "extreme blood scores" for nine years before the authorities took action against her last year — and that marathon organisers were not told about the results.
The blood test data - 12,000 results from 5,000 athletes - was held by International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) and leaked by a whistle-blower.
After reviewing the data, scientists Robin Parisotto and Michael Ashenden claimed a THIRD (33.333%) of the MEDALS from endurance events at the Olympics and World Championships were won by athletes with abnormal or suspicious blood tests. Parisotto said he had never seen such a set of blood values.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/doping-crisis-london-marathon-winners-called-into-question-10447170.htmlFor more reading on the mechanism of action:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3874847/Liliya Shobukhova was the fastest Russian BANNED for DOPING (ABP violation).
Liliya did well at marathons:
Winner of 2009 Chicago marathon
Winner of 2010 London marathon
Winner of 2010 Chicago marathon
2nd place at 2011 London marathon (Mary Keitany 1st)
Winner of 2011 Chicago marathon in 2:18:20
Winner of $500,000 World Marathon Majors BONUS JACKPOT MONEY FOR 2009-2010.
Rita Jeptoo was the fastest Kenyan born, living, and training at altitude who was BANNED for DOPING (EPO positive in OOC test).
Rita also did well at marathons. She was managed by Federico Rosa:
Winner of 2006 Boston marathon
2nd place at 2012 Chicago marathon (her training partner Priscah Jeptoo won the 2012 Olympic marathon silver medal)
Winner of 2013 Boston marathon
Winner of 2013 Chicago marathon
Winner of 2014 Boston marathon in 2:18:57
Winner of 2014 Chicago marathon...but no $500,000 WMM BONUS JACKPOT MONEY FOR RITA...because of that darn EPO positive doping test and ban. Oh well. Sorry about that Rita.
Jemima Sumgong was the training partner of Rita Jeptoo. She was also managed by Federico and Gabriele Rosa. Jemima Sumgong was also BANNED for DOPING (EPO positive in OOC test).
Jemima also did well at marathons:
2nd place at the 2012 Boston marathon (had a little problem with a 2 year ban for prednisone, cleared on appeal)
Winner of 2013 Rotterdam marathon
2nd place at 2013 Chicago marathon (training partner and doper Rita Jeptoo was the winner)
4th place at 2014 Boston marathon (training partner and doper Rita Jeptoo was the winner)
2nd place at 2014 NYC marathon (Mary Keitany 1st)
Winner of 2016 London marathon
Winner of 2016 Olympic marathon GOLD MEDAL
The fastest female from CHINA banned for DOPING was Sun Yinjie (2:19:39 set in 2003).
Ms. Paula "Pantani" Radcliffe is faster at the marathon than ALL of the FASTEST WOMEN BANNED FOR DOPING from RUSSIA and CHINA...and ALL OTHER COUNTRIES ON THIS PLANET...in the entire history of human females.
Ms. Paula "Pantani" Racliffe is faster at the marathon than ALL of the FASTEST WOMEN born, living, and training at high altitude from KENYA AND ETHIOPIA of ALL TIME...including ALL OF THE FASTEST WOMEN BANNED FOR DOPING from KENYA AND ETHIOPIA.
...Ms. Paula "Pantani" Radcliffe is faster than all of them...
...Wait a second...
That sounds exactly like... LANCE ARMSTRONG.
It is just a Coincidental Synchronicity™.
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