A closer look at EPO-era performances

Rekrunner is delusional. At least.

Gary Pariah Rekrunner, why do you ignore me? im home alone, hot and bothered spread eagle waiting and wanting you!!!

come pound me out like your wife pounded out the WR in the marathon!!!

while destroy my nasty little buns hole i will scream as loud as i can

EPO AND PEDS DONT WORK!!!!!

there you go again gary, deleting my comments!

i dont know if i can keep taking your abusive behavior! i thought YOU LOVED ME

if you notice anyone who disagrees with my hubby mr gary pariah rekrunner GETS DELETED.....

but beau why you deleting my comments? why do we have to have this relationship in the dark!?!?!? its 2018!!! or are you JUST USING ME!!!!

"Steroid OOC testing was introduced in 1988, and EPO OOC testing was introduced in 2002.

I didn't find a 2009 report, but I did find a 2008 and a 2007 "IAAF Out-of-Competition Anti-Doping Programme

List of Tested Athletes" which includes many Kenyan, Ethiopian and Jamaican athletes.

So which are these countries with absolutely no OOC testing at all? "

Conova 2.0 it is very clear how it works in these countries up til very recent and still is . media just goes quite ,same old .

difference between actually doing something rather than pretending to.

we have some athletes that were tested once after being notified long in advance and what is this going to achieve

only if athlete is stupid and the kenyan federation backed by nike will take care of any mishap's .

HOW long did this so called testing go on for until a year or two ago and still case in ethiopia .

assuming so as just never hear the follow up , just goes quite and get usual excuses of lack of funds or infrastructure , blah blah

achieves very little catches the odd one ,as does federation letting some take a hit .

and stops some athletes being super doped similarly when get tested during track season elsewhere.

obvious the tactics being used and doping is still king .

EPO AND PEDS DONT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!

m!ndweak wrote:

EPO AND PEDS DONT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!

afew select athletes were notified many days in advance that would be tested ....

and

many big named athletes left alone to dope freely , that is the reality . very deliberate and obvious tactic of dopers

no agenda here and other countries being treated differently up til recently and still now

rekrunner wrote:

It's curious when I talk about distance running, how often the subject is changed to race-walking, because it is an "endurance sport". 24-hours Le Mans is also an endurance sport.

I note here that the record for the 20km race-walk is held by Japanese Yusuke Suzuki, and for the 50km race-walk, is held by the French Yohann Diniz. That's how well Russia did in the rather profoundly unlevel playing field they created by using drugs.

Russia did unlevel the playing field with complete dominance for several years in both events.

In the 20km, Sergey Morozov held the WR for 7 yrs (2008-15) before it was broken by Suzuki. He still holds 2nd fastest just a few seconds behind Suzuki. Morozov 1xEPO ban/1xABP sanction = lifetime ban. Russian Vladimir Kanaykin holds the 4th fastest spot - also banned for an EPO positive. Both were coached by Viktor Chegin.

In the 50km, WC Denis Nizhegorodov held the WR for 6 yrs (2008-14) before it was broken by Diniz. Nizhegorodov was implicated in doping and was also coached by Viktor Chegin. He's currently 2nd all-time fastest.

I'm not answering the question? WTH, do you actually know how OOC testing functions in some of these places? 50 athletes get told in advance that they need to be in such & such place at a certain time tomorrow. Given that if you swig down large amounts of water you dilute any chance of a positive sample.

rekrunner wrote:

Not sure what your point is. Only 3 people in the EPO-era ran faster than the top-5 average from the '80s.

Actually it was 4.

Top-5 average from the 80s: 1:42.25

Post-90s: Rudisha (1:40.91), Kipketer (1:41.11), Amos (1:41.73) & Khamis (1:42.23).

rekrunner wrote:

Steroid OOC testing was introduced in 1988, and EPO OOC testing was introduced in 2002.

I didn't find a 2009 report, but I did find a 2008 and a 2007 "IAAF Out-of-Competition Anti-Doping Programme

List of Tested Athletes" which includes many Kenyan, Ethiopian and Jamaican athletes.

So which are these countries with absolutely no OOC testing at all?

What you are talking about?

Firstly we are talking of '90 and then there was absolutely NO testing in Africa.

and can you explain this - 2016 hello

etc etc etc.......

I'am still waiting for 1 (one) African out of Africa approaching WR (world record) times in mid / long distance living out of Africa in DECENT not sh!thole country where he is regularly tested on level of Rupp for ex. Name it. Names you wrote here are not on the list of 30 fastest time so try again.

There is only 1 and he is Mo Farah (not even close to WR times) but he went often in Ethiopia - please see above for a reason he went there.

Let the morons of letsrun talk about altitude training, after 2005, 6 looks like that Kenya and Ethiopia now reside on some lower altitude isn't?

Plain and simple even for very dense guys - it is all about CHEATING and nothing else, we will see in coming years how they better WR.

In all other sports WR are smashed regularly only in this dirty sport they remain for 20-30 years.

100m freestyle swimming - 1988 - 48.42s

2009 - 46.91s

yes shaving legs etc shaved 1.5s, really?

a new kind of fabrics shaved 1.5s, really?

but in T&F there is no new materials, tracks etc?

No, there is only better testing, so cheaters need to be very careful and they excel in Doha.

What a joke, lets see them on Olympic games and World championships.

Not so many medals any more, a?

"WADA Discovers World Record Factory Ethiopia Does Almost No Drug Testing, Is Shocked" Too funny, as if they hadn't noticed that before 2016.

ALL CHEATERS wrote:

I'am still waiting for 1 (one) African out of Africa approaching WR (world record) times in mid / long distance living out of Africa in DECENT not sh!thole country where he is regularly tested on level of Rupp for ex.

While I see what you are aiming at, there are examples. Let's start with these three:

Kipketer:

- moved to Denmark in 1990

- set his WR in 1997

Khannouchi

- moved to US in 1992

- set his first WR in 1999, and his second in 2002

Lagat:

- moved to US in 1997

- ran within 0.3 s of the WR in 2001

We? I was responding to Subway Surfer -- he made a statement about 2009. In the '90s, there was no EPO testing anywhere, for a decade. This lack of testing doesn't seem to have given non-Africans any added advantage. All these links look like an "anti-doping" problem. An "anti-doping" problem is not the same as a "doping" problem. I gave you Wanjiru.

ALL CHEATERS wrote:

What you are talking about?

Firstly we are talking of '90 and then there was absolutely NO testing in Africa.

and can you explain this - 2016 hello

...

I'am still waiting for 1 (one) African out of Africa approaching WR (world record) times in mid / long distance living out of Africa

It's still race walking, it's still a change of subject. When I look at top-10 all time lists, I get a good idea of what you seem to think constitutes Russian dominance. The Russian records get beat in the ABP-era, by athletes from countries with testing.

Race Walker Ricky wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

It's curious when I talk about distance running, how often the subject is changed to race-walking, because it is an "endurance sport". 24-hours Le Mans is also an endurance sport.

I note here that the record for the 20km race-walk is held by Japanese Yusuke Suzuki, and for the 50km race-walk, is held by the French Yohann Diniz. That's how well Russia did in the rather profoundly unlevel playing field they created by using drugs.

Russia did unlevel the playing field with complete dominance for several years in both events.

In the 20km, Sergey Morozov held the WR for 7 yrs (2008-15) before it was broken by Suzuki.

In the 50km, WC Denis Nizhegorodov held the WR for 6 yrs (2008-14) before it was broken by Diniz.

You still didn't answer. What do you mean now by "these places"? I guess it's not the same countries with "absolutely no OOC testing".

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

I'm not answering the question? WTH, do you actually know how OOC testing functions in some of these places? 50 athletes get told in advance that they need to be in such & such place at a certain time tomorrow. Given that if you swig down large amounts of water you dilute any chance of a positive sample.

rekrunner wrote:

The Russian records get beat in the ABP-era, by athletes from countries with testing.

How do you know that countries with testing don't cover-up results with certain athletes, i.e., "protective status?" Sponsorship can have a big impact in the world of sports (imagine that ?). It's all about the money. We're all just on the outside looking in and reading mainstream reports like a bunch of mind-controlled sheep. None of us have any idea what's going on behind the curtain. Frankly, I think the whole world is full of corruption, e.g., Governments, financial markets, medical system, etc.

ALL CHEATERS wrote:

100m freestyle swimming - 1988 - 48.42s

2009 - 46.91s

yes shaving legs etc shaved 1.5s, really?

a new kind of fabrics shaved 1.5s, really?

They were shaving legs in 1988.

But those swimsuits a few years back were faster.

Tucker explained about a year ago that WRs in the 1980s were likely steroid fuelled while current records could actually be clean. It is all technique and equipment in the water and pool improvements.

Still your hypothesis is spot on. Old records are dirty and should absolutely be wiped. The women's 400m is the worst and the shot put.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Still your hypothesis is spot on. Old records are dirty and should absolutely be wiped. The women's 400m is the worst and the shot put.

And Ayana and the women's marathon record ?