A closer look at EPO-era performances

m!ndweak wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

You also called me a 5 year old -- I can't be a pedo.

when did i call you a 5 yr old? look rek you need to chill out with 5 yr olds they will take you away, and then i will be all alone trying to preach the EPO and PEDs dont work gospel.

keep it up rek and i will leave you fast and man crush on pariah! im your #1 fan rek!!!!!

EPO and PEDs DONT WORK!!!! spread the news my fellow LR'ers!!!

rek for WADA president!

I second the motion m!ndweak! ??

m!ndweak wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

You also called me a 5 year old -- I can't be a pedo.

when did i call you a 5 yr old? look rek you need to chill out with 5 yr olds they will take you away, and then i will be all alone trying to preach the EPO and PEDs dont work gospel.

keep it up rek and i will leave you fast and man crush on pariah! im your #1 fan rek!!!!!

EPO and PEDs DONT WORK!!!! spread the news my fellow LR'ers!!!

rek for WADA president!

RekRunner might think EPO should be legal, and he might think that PEDs should be legal, but put the two together and it doesn't spell that he thinks PEDOs should be legal.

ughhhh i have been passed up for 5 yr olds i NEW IT!!!

boooo to you rekrunner! please dont leave me, i cant try to look like a 5 yr old for you, im your number one fan!!

EPO AND PEDS DONT WORK

m!ndweak wrote:

ughhhh i have been passed up for 5 yr olds i NEW IT!!!

boooo to you rekrunner! please dont leave me, i cant try to look like a 5 yr old for you, im your number one fan!!

EPO AND PEDS DONT WORK

Too funny - I don't think these guys got the memo:

if only they would have been able to hear the beautiful message from our Lord and Savior Renato and his holy prophet Rekrunner they might have been saved

EPO AND PEDS DONT WORK!

Coevett wrote:

Not sure what the point of this thread is. From following it at the start and occasionally looking back in, it seems to be RekRunner trying to establish that EPO doesn't work but it did however enable Africans to cheat as effectively as the rest of the world.

I'm not sure why you are not sure. I explained it in the first two posts:

"to better understand how performances have changed, where performances have changed, and curiously, where performances have not changed as much" then, "... from "5 continents" ... 1) why ... so few ... and 2) why their ... improvements were significantally smaller ..."

This thread was not about "trying to establish that EPO doesn't work" or "Africans cheating", but about why the performances of "5 continents" was inferior, by a lot. That was the point of this thread, at the start.

rekrunner wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Not sure what the point of this thread is. From following it at the start and occasionally looking back in, it seems to be RekRunner trying to establish that EPO doesn't work but it did however enable Africans to cheat as effectively as the rest of the world.

I'm not sure why you are not sure. I explained it in the first two posts:

"to better understand how performances have changed, where performances have changed, and curiously, where performances have not changed as much" then, "... from "5 continents" ... 1) why ... so few ... and 2) why their ... improvements were significantally smaller ..."

This thread was not about "trying to establish that EPO doesn't work" or "Africans cheating", but about why the performances of "5 continents" was inferior, by a lot. That was the point of this thread, at the start.

Well any idiot who isn't a self-hating white middle-class Marxist can see that the reason why African performances leaped as compared to the rest of the world during the EPO era is because Africans were doping themselves silly with EPO.

how dare you call my beau an idiot!!! no!!!

EVERYONE knows that EPO and PEDs dont work!!! the real reason that africans began to ABSOLUTELY dominate from the early 90s till now is cause the evil white devils stopped keeping them down!!!!! its racist to think whites are smarter, but its HOLY and RIGHTEOUS to think that africans are just SUPERIOR to everyone else athletically!!!

love you rek, dont listen to the haters!

I know you speak for "any idiot", but why wouldn't at least some of the best of the rest of the world dope themselves silly too? I'm told Spain was doping themselves silly. Cycling was too, without any particular barriers to doping.

Coevett wrote:

Well any idiot who isn't a self-hating white middle-class Marxist can see that the reason why African performances leaped as compared to the rest of the world during the EPO era is because Africans were doping themselves silly with EPO.

rekrunner wrote:

I know you speak for "any idiot", but why wouldn't at least some of the best of the rest of the world dope themselves silly too? I'm told Spain was doping themselves silly. Cycling was too, without any particular barriers to doping.

Coevett wrote:

Well any idiot who isn't a self-hating white middle-class Marxist can see that the reason why African performances leaped as compared to the rest of the world during the EPO era is because Africans were doping themselves silly with EPO.

noone was doping themselves silly my silly.....how can someone dope themselves silly if PEDs dont work? thats just silly talk...rek honey why dont you come home and have some nice earl grey and take a nappy nap

Did you know that Jessica Augusto from Portugal has a 5000m PR of 14:37.07 from 2010, which is faster than ALL women from the USA?

It turns out that Jessica Augusto is on the leaked Fancy Bears Atypical ABP list with Mary Keitany (Kenya) and Meseret Defar (Ethiopia).

There are ZERO female runners from the USA on the leaked Atypical ABP list.

https://imgur.com/a/vnyIC#XNFo4IL

https://www.facebook.com/hypo2/photos/a.181731141864880.32731.154386924599302/902644203106900/?type=3

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/08/amy-cragg-ends-americas-34-year-medal-drought-womens-marathon-worlds-snagging-surprising-bronze-london/

http://i2.devonlive.com/sport/other-sport/article288980.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/JoPavey.jpg

https://www.flotrack.org/articles/5968022-shalane-flanagan-receives-olympic-silver-medal-upgrade#.WZ6yRK2ZNBw

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/11/shalane-flanagan-wins-2017-new-york-city-marathon-1st-american-winner-40-years/

Oh yeah.

I hope Shalane Flanagan never fails a drug test.

rekrunner wrote:

I know you speak for "any idiot", but why wouldn't at least some of the best of the rest of the world dope themselves silly too? I'm told Spain was doping themselves silly. Cycling was too, without any particular barriers to doping.

Coevett wrote:

Well any idiot who isn't a self-hating white middle-class Marxist can see that the reason why African performances leaped as compared to the rest of the world during the EPO era is because Africans were doping themselves silly with EPO.

Can you actually communicate in English non-aspergically? If you were asking some expert if something was difficult, and they told you - 'no, even a child could do it', would you understand that to mean the expert was calling himself a child?

Number of Spanish 1500m runners under 3:33 from 1980 to 1991 - TWO.

Number of Spanish 1500m runners under 3:33 from 1992 to 2004 SEVEN.

Number of Spanish 1500m runners under 3:33 from 2005 to 2017 TWO.

Fastest Spanish 1500m time 1980 - 1991 : 3:30.92 (José Luis GONZÁLEZ)

Fastest Spanish 1500m time 1992 - 2004 : 3:28.95 (Fermín CACHO)

Fastest Spanish 1500m time 2005 - 2017 : 3:31.57 (Juan Carlos HIGUERO)

Yes, the Spanish were almost certainly EPO doping. Their pattern is almost identical to that of the Kenyans and moroccans. Very unlike the British, Oceanics, Americans. And what exactly is your point?

Coevett wrote:

Number of Spanish 1500m runners under 3:33 from 1980 to 1991 - TWO.

Number of Spanish 1500m runners under 3:33 from 1992 to 2004 SEVEN.

Number of Spanish 1500m runners under 3:33 from 2005 to 2017 TWO.

Fastest Spanish 1500m time 1980 - 1991 : 3:30.92 (José Luis GONZÁLEZ)

Fastest Spanish 1500m time 1992 - 2004 : 3:28.95 (Fermín CACHO)

Fastest Spanish 1500m time 2005 - 2017 : 3:31.57 (Juan Carlos HIGUERO)

Yes, the Spanish were almost certainly EPO doping. Their pattern is almost identical to that of the Kenyans and moroccans. Very unlike the British, Oceanics, Americans. And what exactly is your point?

Excellent data.

Number of female British marathon runs under 2:20 from 1980 to 1991 - ZERO.

Number of female British marathon runs under 2:20 from 1992 to 2005 - THREE - actually all under 2:18!

Number of female British marathon runs under 2:20 from 2006 to 2017 - ZERO.

Yes, the British were almost certainly EPO doping. Their pattern is almost identical to that of the Kenyans and moroccans. Very unlike the Germans.

Number of Spanish 5000m runners under 13:20 1980-1991 THREE (Two of which were Abascal & Gonzalez moving up)

Number of Spanish 5000m runners under 13:20 1992-2004 SIXTEEN

Number of Spanish 5000m runners under 13:20 2005-2017 TWELVE

The Spanish stats are complicated by the fact that AFTER the EPO era a host of North Africans have been representing Spain, and often getting busted for EPO. Of course, the UK stats are slightly complicated by one suspicious African Mo Farah.

For comparison :

Number of British 5000m runners under 13:20 1980-1991 TEN

Number of British 5000m runners under 13:20 1992-2004 NINE

Number of British 5000m runners under 13:20 2005-2017 SIX

Personally I suspect that Radcliffe was doping, but you're an idiot to read anything into those stats. They're not even valid stats because how many women's marathons were being run in 1980??

You're the Olaf Beyer apologist aren't you?

It turns out that Shalane Flanagan, Amy Cragg, and Molly Huddle are all IRISH.

Amy Cragg is married to a former speedy Irish leprechaun Alistair Cragg.

There would be extremely severe and dangerous consequences which would go WAY beyond sanctions imposed by the IAAF if there was ever an ADRV for Ms. Shalane Flanagan (Irish).

Why???

Answer:

1) Because Ms. Shalane Flanagan (Irish) would have a new problem which would involve WAY more severe and dangerous consequences:

What is that new problem???

Answer:

1) Steve Flanagan (= IRISH father of Shalane Flanagan)

...Update the REAL DEAL Female Runners from the USA:

There are even some fast Blonde Female Runners (Non-Irish) from the USA:

https://www.facebook.com/hypo2/photos/a.181731141864880.32731.154386924599302/1050316895006296/?type=3

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/08/womens-1500/

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/08/americans-emma-coburn-courtney-frerichs-pull-almost-incomrehensible-upset-go-1-2-womens-steeple/

It is just a coincidence.

Number of British Female Marathon runners under 2:20 1980-1991 NONE

Number of British Female Marathon runners under 2:20 1992-2004 ONE

Number of British Female Marathon runners under 2:20 2005-2017 ONE

Number of British Female Marathon runners under 2:30 1980-1991 ONE

Number of British Female Marathon runners under 2:30 1992-2004 THREE

Number of British Female Marathon runners under 2:30 2005-2017 TWELVE

Number of Kenyan Female Marathon runners under 2:30 1980-1991 NONE

Number of Kenyan Female Marathon runners under 2:30 1992-2004 TWENTY THREE

Number of Kenyan Female Marathon runners under 2:30 2005-2017 ONE HUNDRED =

Number of German Female Marathon runners under 2:30 1980-1991 ONE

Number of German Female Marathon runners under 2:30 1992-2004 ELEVEN

Number of German Female Marathon runners under 2:30 2005-2017 ELEVEN

I'm not here to argue whether Germans are more or less likely to dope than the British, and it's particularly ridiculous to do so looking at the women's marathon which was barely run before the end of the eighties. But looking at the data, there is nothing unusual about GB's women, although Germany certainly hasn't gone forwards after the EPO era as you would expect from a clean nation.

Valid stats start at 100. Your stats with 2 + 7 + 2 don't mean anything.

Beyer? Beyer was one of the few well documented drug cheats, what's there to apologize?