Remember the climbing.com article about krupicka life in the long peal triathlon? How long could you do it? Riding at 38 miles at 5:29 am, jogging with a backpack, eating birdseed, naps, sport climbing, afternoon run, no TV, no family, another 38 mile ride.
I would last maybe 3 weeks before I realized that my talent level doesn’t justify that level of dedication. I
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Guano wrote:
no family
With lots of free time, without family and job duties (he's still sponsored to do so!) spending a major part of the life in the outdoors sounds good to me.
you've forgotten "being injured every other months"
Is he still studying for his doctorate ? Hasn't he been pursuing that for like 11 years?
So did they go into the Bustop when they got back or what?
He did it because it was “rad”.
His life is not uncommon, there are lots of guys like him, his type, you see it all the time with ski bums, surfers, climbers, etc. It’s a very selfish way of living, which is fine, it’s their life, but as the person ages it becomes increasingly sad; a refusal to grow up. A lot of them try to tie in their outdoor hobby with some sort of spiritualism - a connection to the outdoors/mountains/ocean whatever - which makes it more sad. Although, I know that I, and I think a lot of people, have a soft spot for these sorts of people. My favorite person of this type was the “Grizzly Man”. The documentary about him was fantastic.
Peter Pan syndrome wrote:
He did it because it was “rad”.
His life is not uncommon, there are lots of guys like him, his type, you see it all the time with ski bums, surfers, climbers, etc. It’s a very selfish way of living, which is fine, it’s their life, but as the person ages it becomes increasingly sad; a refusal to grow up. A lot of them try to tie in their outdoor hobby with some sort of spiritualism - a connection to the outdoors/mountains/ocean whatever - which makes it more sad. Although, I know that I, and I think a lot of people, have a soft spot for these sorts of people. My favorite person of this type was the “Grizzly Man”. The documentary about him was fantastic.
JOOI, why is this any more "selfish" than the urban wage slave life that most of us live?
Peter Pan syndrome wrote:
He did it because it was “rad”.
His life is not uncommon, there are lots of guys like him, his type, you see it all the time with ski bums, surfers, climbers, etc. It’s a very selfish way of living, which is fine, it’s their life, but as the person ages it becomes increasingly sad; a refusal to grow up. A lot of them try to tie in their outdoor hobby with some sort of spiritualism - a connection to the outdoors/mountains/ocean whatever - which makes it more sad. Although, I know that I, and I think a lot of people, have a soft spot for these sorts of people. My favorite person of this type was the “Grizzly Man”. The documentary about him was fantastic.
Well said. On the mark.
pr100 wrote:
Peter Pan syndrome wrote:
He did it because it was “rad”.
His life is not uncommon, there are lots of guys like him, his type, you see it all the time with ski bums, surfers, climbers, etc. It’s a very selfish way of living, which is fine, it’s their life, but as the person ages it becomes increasingly sad; a refusal to grow up. A lot of them try to tie in their outdoor hobby with some sort of spiritualism - a connection to the outdoors/mountains/ocean whatever - which makes it more sad. Although, I know that I, and I think a lot of people, have a soft spot for these sorts of people. My favorite person of this type was the “Grizzly Man”. The documentary about him was fantastic.
JOOI, why is this any more "selfish" than the urban wage slave life that most of us live?
That’s a legitimate question and here is my thought. What you call “wage slavery” others would call productive labor. In this modern world, labor is so highly specialized it’s sometimes hard to see value in one’s work. You have to look at the big picture.
Anton is not living a self-sufficient life out in the wilds. He lives in an apartment in Boulder. He eats and shops and gets medical care and enjoys all the benefits that come from other people doing what you would call slave labor. His local Whole Foods didn’t come into existence magically. It’s a corporation. Real estate developers, bankers, construction firms, architects, city planners, etc built it. The Whole Foods corporation operates it. Countless companies supplied their products, which are shipped by transport corporations on roads that are maintained and built by other corporations contracted out by govt entities. It goes on and on, obviously.
The point is that Anton, living this kind of “selfish” lifestyle, is not really contributing to the system as others are. Hes not adding logs to the community woodpile, so to speak. There is nothing terribly wrong with this. He’s a law abiding citizen, etc. but to the point above, I’m guessing it leaves one unfulfilled on some deeper level as you age. (This is to say nothing of being a parent and providing for your kids as your parents provided for you.)
I also have a soft spot for these folks (ski bums, surfers, Anton, etc) as that lifestyle seems extremely appealing in so many ways. I wonder how I would feel myself if I took that path in life.
John Utah wrote:
pr100 wrote:
JOOI, why is this any more "selfish" than the urban wage slave life that most of us live?
That’s a legitimate question and here is my thought. What you call “wage slavery” others would call productive labor. In this modern world, labor is so highly specialized it’s sometimes hard to see value in one’s work. You have to look at the big picture.
Anton is not living a self-sufficient life out in the wilds. He lives in an apartment in Boulder. He eats and shops and gets medical care and enjoys all the benefits that come from other people doing what you would call slave labor. His local Whole Foods didn’t come into existence magically. It’s a corporation. Real estate developers, bankers, construction firms, architects, city planners, etc built it. The Whole Foods corporation operates it. Countless companies supplied their products, which are shipped by transport corporations on roads that are maintained and built by other corporations contracted out by govt entities. It goes on and on, obviously.
The point is that Anton, living this kind of “selfish” lifestyle, is not really contributing to the system as others are. Hes not adding logs to the community woodpile, so to speak. There is nothing terribly wrong with this. He’s a law abiding citizen, etc. but to the point above, I’m guessing it leaves one unfulfilled on some deeper level as you age. (This is to say nothing of being a parent and providing for your kids as your parents provided for you.)
I also have a soft spot for these folks (ski bums, surfers, Anton, etc) as that lifestyle seems extremely appealing in so many ways. I wonder how I would feel myself if I took that path in life.
He pays his bills, so either he's accumulated capital, or someone is paying him (maybe he has a sponsorship deal). Either way he's done something that someone is will to pay for, which is productive in the sense of producing economic activity.
I suppose it could be that he's just inherited money - but then there are plenty of people living off inherited wealth who don't really do anything at all.
To do all that you either have to be resigned to live the life of an ascetic or you picked the right parents and inherited enough to where you are not a burden/ trust fund baby.
It's easy to call working people "wage slaves" but then what would you call a man with a wife and children that doesn't work and spends his time climbing rocks, jogging around town all day? Grown up people have real responsibilities. You can't fault them for tackling them like a real adults.
pr100 wrote:
Peter Pan syndrome wrote:
He did it because it was “rad”.
His life is not uncommon, there are lots of guys like him, his type, you see it all the time with ski bums, surfers, climbers, etc. It’s a very selfish way of living, which is fine, it’s their life, but as the person ages it becomes increasingly sad; a refusal to grow up. A lot of them try to tie in their outdoor hobby with some sort of spiritualism - a connection to the outdoors/mountains/ocean whatever - which makes it more sad. Although, I know that I, and I think a lot of people, have a soft spot for these sorts of people. My favorite person of this type was the “Grizzly Man”. The documentary about him was fantastic.
JOOI, why is this any more "selfish" than the urban wage slave life that most of us live?
It's selfish in the way that if everybody lived like he did, society would fall apart.
It's selfish in the way that if everybody lived like he did, society would fall apart.
that's a terrible argument. If everyone did the same thing (anything) - society would fall apart.
Let it Rupp wrote:
pr100 wrote:
JOOI, why is this any more "selfish" than the urban wage slave life that most of us live?
It's selfish in the way that if everybody lived like he did, society would fall apart.
That’s the consice and superior way to say what I said.
arguist wrote:
It's selfish in the way that if everybody lived like he did, society would fall apart.
that's a terrible argument. If everyone did the same thing (anything) - society would fall apart.
He said “lived like he did”, not all doing the same thing. Basically Anton just does whatever he feels like doing every day. Apparently he gets paid to do that, which is a good thing for him. But he only gets paid by companies because they use him to market their stuff to people who actually work. If nobody was going to work to afford to buy his sponsors gear, the companies would soon go out of business and Anton would have to get a job.
Steve Tilford
Most jobs are fake these days. Cubicle jockeys are basically there to give the illusion of being necessary.
Entertainers don't really do anything either.
Only one person answered the question.
Nothing constructive wrote:
arguist wrote:
that's a terrible argument. If everyone did the same thing (anything) - society would fall apart.
He said “lived like he did”, not all doing the same thing. Basically Anton just does whatever he feels like doing every day. Apparently he gets paid to do that, which is a good thing for him. But he only gets paid by companies because they use him to market their stuff to people who actually work. If nobody was going to work to afford to buy his sponsors gear, the companies would soon go out of business and Anton would have to get a job.
Spot on.
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