Tom is better than you.
Tom is better than you.
He definetly is
80 mpw is freaking insane for being 16 years old, not necessarily in a good way.
I probably should not have posted this on let's run....
I will shed some light with my experience as a former standout and former college coach. That is not a bad time for a 16 year old, however I would struggle to recruit a HS runner to my D-1 program that needed 80 miles a week to achieve those times. Now if you had done it on 35 or 40 that would be different. Keep working hard but be smart about it. HS is only a small four year stepping stone if you have bigger aspirations. If you are only looking at competing in HS - then go for it.
bulldog wrote:
I will shed some light with my experience as a former standout and former college coach. That is not a bad time for a 16 year old, however I would struggle to recruit a HS runner to my D-1 program that needed 80 miles a week to achieve those times. Now if you had done it on 35 or 40 that would be different. Keep working hard but be smart about it. HS is only a small four year stepping stone if you have bigger aspirations. If you are only looking at competing in HS - then go for it.
Well I've only been a distance runner for 1 year, when I started I was a 5:15 guy right off the bat but I've improved super fast, my sophomore year of track was terrible as I only ran 10:08 for 2 miles and 4:42 for 1 mile outdoors, but then I had a great cross country season running 15:51 and placing 11th at the state meet. I have only been getting 70-80 mpw for about 6 months and I'm on 50-60 right now in my training. Why do you have a problem with 80 mpw in high school? This track season I think 4:25 and 9:30 are pretty reasonable goals for outdoor off of 70
B8_jenny wrote:
bulldog wrote:
I will shed some light with my experience as a former standout and former college coach. That is not a bad time for a 16 year old, however I would struggle to recruit a HS runner to my D-1 program that needed 80 miles a week to achieve those times. Now if you had done it on 35 or 40 that would be different. Keep working hard but be smart about it. HS is only a small four year stepping stone if you have bigger aspirations. If you are only looking at competing in HS - then go for it.
Well I've only been a distance runner for 1 year, when I started I was a 5:15 guy right off the bat but I've improved super fast, my sophomore year of track was terrible as I only ran 10:08 for 2 miles and 4:42 for 1 mile outdoors, but then I had a great cross country season running 15:51 and placing 11th at the state meet. I have only been getting 70-80 mpw for about 6 months and I'm on 50-60 right now in my training. Why do you have a problem with 80 mpw in high school? This track season I think 4:25 and 9:30 are pretty reasonable goals for outdoor off of 70
80mpw in HS just suggests that you may not have much room for improvement. (It would be an unfair suggestion, given that you have only been running for 20 months or so, but it is still the assumption.)
Keep training smartly, listen to your body, sleep lots, and eat healthy. You have every reason to be excited about your future! Just remember what I told you on page 1 ;-)
letsrun is funny. We can't keep up with the Africans because of their lifetime base of running 100 mpw from age 6.
American kid runs 80 for a couple of weeks at 16: Stop, you're going to die!.
B8_jenny wrote:
I probably should not have posted this on let's run....
Yeah, people here are dicks. Funny dicks, sure. But you’re obviously going to get burned around here posting anything slower than a world class time, no matter how old you are.
You’re doing great, kid. Don’t listen to the posters here. You’re fast, with the potential to get a lot faster. And your work ethic is pretty insane for someone your age. I don’t believe that 80 miles a week is overdoing it if your body can handle it. That’s just the common wisdom that everyone here repeats but doesn’t actually have any evidence to back up. The letsrun equivalent to broscience.
Don’t sweat it, just keep doing what you’re doing and good things will come.
Man some states just suck. I ran 15:52 my senior year and that was like 10 places away from even making it out of league, let alone regionals or state.
Folks
the kid a solo 1:15 with little aeorbic base. And he backed it up with his strava. Judging by other HM threads, I doubt most people on this thread have broken 1:20, in an actual race
I'm not one for humble bragging which is what OP is doing but go easy on him. Again, he could probably beat you.
Way to go Jensen, let's revisit this thread in 5-10 years.
A few more things:
1. 80 is a lot for a high schooler, no matter how long you've been running. It's paying off now and I assume you're not getting injured but it could lead to burnout.
2. I've always been meaning to ask this to people who do this on Strava: why don't you capitalize your last name? Seems lazy...I also see people who don't even capitalize their first name.
Joogler wrote:
B8_jenny wrote:
I probably should not have posted this on let's run....
Yeah, people here are dicks. Funny dicks, sure. But you’re obviously going to get burned around here posting anything slower than a world class time, no matter how old you are.
You’re doing great, kid. Don’t listen to the posters here. You’re fast, with the potential to get a lot faster. And your work ethic is pretty insane for someone your age. I don’t believe that 80 miles a week is overdoing it if your body can handle it. That’s just the common wisdom that everyone here repeats but doesn’t actually have any evidence to back up. The letsrun equivalent to broscience.
Don’t sweat it, just keep doing what you’re doing and good things will come.
AMEN!!
Don't listen to these guy's. You are allowed to feel pride in a solid workout. I was slower then you in high school I averaged around 16:35 for 5k XC and typically placed 30th-50th in big Invitational meets. I had also been racing in USATF Club Track and Cross Country beginning at age 8 so most people assumed I just did not have much talent. When I got to college I was one of the odd ones that improved drastically wound up running a 4:00 Mile and a 29:00 10,000m and placed 7th at Nationals.
Off to a good start. Proceed with the idea of year to year gradual improvement. I think your milage should be cut to an average of fifty to sixty. If you are doing eighty now what do you plan to do in fiur years, 120? Let the times improve and don't force it.
Your performances are pretty good. 11th in D2 state cross-country is a fine result. The 13.1 mile tempo also solid but unremarkable. It's not entirely clear what you're looking for, though. Unlike a lot of people who post here, you've identified yourself--no harm in that (I hope). Your results show you're dedicated and working hard, making some improvement. I, too, worry a little about your miles. And I don't agree with the poster above who said we lag behind African kids running excessively high mileage yet tell our own kids to cut back on the miles. My guess is you're running a lot more miles than the average dedicated Kenyan high school distance runner. A lot of high school kids produce results like yours with about half the mileage and maybe another sport on the side. At college they focus just on running, ramp up the miles significantly, and see their times drop. The worry is that you're not going to be on track for that sort of improvement because you're already putting in the volume you might see in an older runner. And, as others have noted, you may find your body starts to complain about all the miles, or you start to feel less interest as fatigue kicks in. Ask yourself what you really want out of your running. Michigan and other D1 power houses aren't going to come knocking on your door offering you money, which is fine. You likely could walk on to a good program and enjoy what most of us count as some of the most important benefits of running--team camaraderie, personal growth as an athlete and a person, lower PRs, a commitment to a sport that should provide health and fitness for life. Keep doing what you're doing and listen to your body--back off if it's starting to rebel.
B8_jenny wrote:
Well I've only been a distance runner for 1 year, when I started I was a 5:15 guy right off the bat but I've improved super fast, my sophomore year of track was terrible as I only ran 10:08 for 2 miles and 4:42 for 1 mile outdoors, but then I had a great cross country season running 15:51 and placing 11th at the state meet. I have only been getting 70-80 mpw for about 6 months and I'm on 50-60 right now in my training. Why do you have a problem with 80 mpw in high school? This track season I think 4:25 and 9:30 are pretty reasonable goals for outdoor off of 70
And don't eat too much of that warm bread with the sesame seeds that they serve before dinner at the Common Grill. It's delicious but you'll just fill up on empty carbs before your entrée.
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And I don't agree with the poster above who said we lag behind African kids running excessively high mileage yet tell our own kids to cut back on the miles. My guess is you're running a lot more miles than the average dedicated Kenyan high school distance runner.
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He didn't say that. Other people do.
I ran 1:16 on a very hilly course (Sandy Springs MD) when I was 16. My PB in HS was 4:08 1500 and my best in college was 3:59 & 14:58
B8_jenny wrote:
I probably should not have posted this on let's run....
Correct. A lot of people here seem to have serious problems.
Congratulations on your progress. I enjoyed reading your posts.