Star Wars: Last Jedi Discussion. ***SPOILERS THREAD***

loved it.

It was a little long perhaps... But that's alright. I honestly don't like the Rose/Finn love story very much. To me, it seems one sided and doesn't seem like he's into her in that kind of way. I like Finn/Rey much, much more.

Kylo killing Snoke was a nice twist (I'm not that surprised it happened but figured Snoke wouldn't die till episode 9), but then blaming it all on Rey once he realized he was stuck with the first order was good quick thinking.... I thought he was gonna choke Hux to death though. Was really surprised to see Hux alive after that.

Good question tho as to why Luke didn't go face Kylo in person if he was gonna die anyways. Maybe he decided too last-minute to interfere with the battle and didn't have time to get there in person, or he had no way of getting there (x-wing coulda been trash by that point, after sitting there underwater and unused for so many years). Of course what they'll end up doing with Leia is a huge mystery too, as they said they wouldn't recreate her via CGI. It seems then like an offscreen death is the only way....

How is the thing about Rey's parents a cop-out? Whoever said she had to be related to someone? When I first saw the force awakens, I actually didn't even consider that she'd be related to someone we knew, but as soon as the movie was over I started reading stuff online and was surprised that every one assumed she was a skywalker or

a solo. I guess over time I just kinda assumed that she must be related to another force weilder but I shoulda went with my original thought.

Idk if it was my fav part but I totally loved when they tore apart the casino on those animals. That was maybe my fav part.

liked the movie, eh?

an absolute garbage heap of a movie, though somewhat fortunately with benicio del toro sitting on top. whew, this stuff is for 7th graders

If Rey is strong enough to intimidate Luke, she’d better have some strong bllodlines, right? Although, it’s possible Kylo lied about that “from a certain point of view”, lol.

Ya, I liked the trashing of the casino, too, although the del Toro storyline seemed incomplete. Felt like he shoulda been drivong the ATAT(?) or at least seen to be killed in the ship crash (which... was... awesome.)

Is there any way to get Chewie some more screen time?

What did you think about Phasma’s death?

And, I hate that I feel this way, but: did you think that the use of so many female leadership positions felt forced? (No pun intended, lol).

PS- was worried I would hate the animals from the previews, but all 3(?) were good (and the little cute ones were fantastic.)

yes it felt forced, as did equal representation of race among characters. I was surprised there wasn't more sexual preference diversity either. Note that female characters can only be good, bad guys are white males. I think Snoke is tricking them, and he was an astral projection like luke. Why would they remove him as a threat this early?

And no backstory on Snoke? What was this all-powerful being doing during IV, V, and VI?

garbage, pure and utter wrote:

liked the movie, eh?

an absolute garbage heap of a movie, though somewhat fortunately with benicio del toro sitting on top. whew, this stuff is for 7th graders

I thought it was weird that Luke kissed Leia on the forehead at the end. Aren't they siblings?

jhand366 wrote:

How is the thing about Rey's parents a cop-out? Whoever said she had to be related to someone? When I first saw the force awakens, I actually didn't even consider that she'd be related to someone we knew, but as soon as the movie was over I started reading stuff online and was surprised that every one assumed she was a skywalker or

a solo. I guess over time I just kinda assumed that she must be related to another force weilder but I shoulda went with my original thought.

I liked that she wasn't related to someone because it makes her a stronger character. Maybe the guys won't get this, but it's refreshing to see a female character who isn't there because of her father/brother/other male character.

Whew, well I'm glad I enjoyed it, not sorry that you didn't though!!! To each their own. Enjoy your bananas!

I wonder if Del Toro will be in episode 9...

I though Phasma's death was pretty good. I didn't really think about how the female leadership. I don't really have an opinion on that...

I do agree though that it would only make sense for Rey to be as powerful as she is if she was related to force users, but I can only assume that she has ancestors who were strong Jedi (or Sith), maybe her parents weren't though. But who knows. And yeah, I liked all the animals too!!! And cheese knocking the door in on Luke near the beginning, R2 replaying Leia's message to Obi-Wan to Luke, that was awesome.

I wanna know more about Snoke too.

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

jhand366 wrote:

How is the thing about Rey's parents a cop-out? Whoever said she had to be related to someone? When I first saw the force awakens, I actually didn't even consider that she'd be related to someone we knew, but as soon as the movie was over I started reading stuff online and was surprised that every one assumed she was a skywalker or

a solo. I guess over time I just kinda assumed that she must be related to another force weilder but I shoulda went with my original thought.

I liked that she wasn't related to someone because it makes her a stronger character. Maybe the guys won't get this, but it's refreshing to see a female character who isn't there because of her father/brother/other male character.

Hadn’t thought about it that way. I respect that.

How did you feel about all of the female leadership? Refreshing? Or forced?

I felt a little underwhelmed (and yet satisfaction of completion) by the movie, although, I did say "woa" out loud when it was revealed luke was "force projecting" (or whatever) himself in the final lightsaber battle. The movie felt like a completion of the saga with the implication that they would eventually defeat the bad guys, especially showing the children being the next generation to continue to fight for the light side just felt very final. It seemed as though although the resistance was almost reduced to zero, it seemed the same for the first order having lost many of their ships and leaders. Seemed like the resistance, with hope, and the grassroots movement growing would eventually be able to mop up the rest of the first order. just my thought. Also, i think the red guards were "the knights of ren".

Don't really care about Rey's parents. They've been telling us since the TFA previews that Rey is no one. "Who are you? I'm no one" I think the whole thing about star wars is "basic literary ideas and concepts (i.e. destiny, son redeeming father, etc) juxtaposed against a massive science fiction galactic war.

compute wrote:

Note that female characters can only be good, bad guys are white males.

So am I the only one who thinks he may have used the force to transfer his force essence to another physical vessel?

I think he has not been living in the body he was in for thousands of years. And how was he so powerful, yet got killed of so quickly?

Snoke inquisitor wrote:

So am I the only one who thinks he may have used the force to transfer his force essence to another physical vessel?

I think he has not been living in the body he was in for thousands of years. And how was he so powerful, yet got killed of so quickly?

Force Visions have mislead Jedi/Sith in the past. Thinking about Annakin/Padme in RotS and Luke in ESB. So, Snoke and his “Kylo killing his worst enemy” vision isn’t unbelievable to me.

Not sure I understand why Snoke’s body matters, but definitely plausible. You think he teleported his essence outtathere before Kylo went Cutco on him? Luke coulda done the same...

The Luke on ach-to might have been a projection. Remember when Rey was exploring the force in her lesson with Luke? She didn't sense him. Why? He wasn't there.

theJeff wrote:

And no backstory on Snoke? What was this all-powerful being doing during IV, V, and VI?

Exactly, unless he should have been called the "Phantom Menance" in the first place.

compute wrote:

Note that female characters can only be good, bad guys are white males.

Captain Phasma?

I thought Episode 8 was well done.

I was expecting Luke & Leia to die at the same time since they were born at the same time as twins.

Snoke is still mysterious to me. Surprised he was killed off in Episode 8, but I suspect that's so Kylo Ren features as supreme ruler for Episode 9. What a great way for Snoke to end.

I like Rey's spunk.

I like the theme of the common, ordinary person throughout the film. Rey comes from common stock. At the end, even though the numbers left in the Resistance are few, there is no doubt there will always be a strong Resistance with the craving for freedom and independence depicted in the children in the last scenes.

I like the themes of selfless sacrifice in the Resistance. The female commander did sacrifice herself as she drove her ship at hyperspeed through the Imperial Ship. Finn was going to sacrifice himself into the cannon for the good of the Resistance, and this was a redeeming moment for Finn since earlier he tried to desert.

I liked the theme that Kylo is not pure evil, but is conflicted with good inside him still. Kylo sparing his mother Leia was somewhat of a redeeming moment for him since he had killed his father Han in the previous Episode 7. I thought it was interesting that his Vadar-like helmet ends up smashed and he doesn't replace it. He's outgrown his childish fascination with Vadar.

I liked that the key moment with the destruction of the Jedi Temple years earlier was depicted from Luke's perspective and Kylo's. Each had good reason to act as he did. Certainly, two narratives interpreted that epoch-making violent event quite differently. Something that is true in most every war.

Fortunately, the new animal creatures weren't distracting. I liked the little penguin/guinnea pig creatures that befriended Chewbacca. The island cows that Luke milked were creepy. Reminded me of an old man's pot belly. Not a good mental image. The racehorse creatures were pretty good too.

Overall, I liked it.

theJeff wrote:

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

I liked that she wasn't related to someone because it makes her a stronger character. Maybe the guys won't get this, but it's refreshing to see a female character who isn't there because of her father/brother/other male character.

Hadn’t thought about it that way. I respect that.

How did you feel about all of the female leadership? Refreshing? Or forced?

Would it have felt forced if there was a disproportionate amount of male leadership?