Essentially, is anyone doing most all workouts based on times.
For example 15 x 3 mins w/ 1 min rest instead of 15 x 800?
It seems to make so much more sense except nobody really does it.
David Roche, however, seems to train all his runners that way
Essentially, is anyone doing most all workouts based on times.
For example 15 x 3 mins w/ 1 min rest instead of 15 x 800?
It seems to make so much more sense except nobody really does it.
David Roche, however, seems to train all his runners that way
timeVsDistance wrote:
Essentially, is anyone doing most all workouts based on times.
For example 15 x 3 mins w/ 1 min rest instead of 15 x 800?
It seems to make so much more sense except nobody really does it.
David Roche, however, seems to train all his runners that way
Interesting. Why do you think that make so much more sense?
Easier to scale athlete to athlete. You can do it on any terrain, more places, and easier to do by effort.
Just easier to progress training mathematically as well.
Steve Jones did and broke the world record in the marathon and half marathon.
Libertarian vegan wrote:
Steve Jones did and broke the world record in the marathon and half marathon.
Except he claimed to not wear a watch which kind of makes this hard to do.
sun dial bloody sun dial wrote:
Libertarian vegan wrote:
Steve Jones did and broke the world record in the marathon and half marathon.
Except he claimed to not wear a watch which kind of makes this hard to do.
Hahaha! A good one :)
timeVsDistance wrote:
Just easier to progress training mathematically as well.
What? You only have to count minutes and don`t have to bother what pace is best for you to run? Is that what you mean?
COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:
timeVsDistance wrote:
Just easier to progress training mathematically as well.
What? You only have to count minutes and don`t have to bother what pace is best for you to run? Is that what you mean?
"what pace is best for you to run" could vary widely based on conditions/training cycle/sickness/etc. "what effort is best for you to run" should not vary much. I would rather focus on the latter, especially living in a climate where the heat/humidity makes hitting ideal paces is difficult for ~4-5 months of the year.
I don't have access to a track so I train by time all the time. I actually got loads better doing workouts by time (a staple was 2-3 mins on/2 mins off @~5k effort up a slight incline) over when I was hammering intervals by distance for 4 years in college. Obviously N=1, but to say that there is no benefit for some individuals to go by time vs. going by distance is incorrect.
Fitzy, do you have a link to your training anywhere?
timeVsDistance wrote:
Essentially, is anyone doing most all workouts based on times.
For example 15 x 3 mins w/ 1 min rest instead of 15 x 800?
It seems to make so much more sense except nobody really does it.
David Roche, however, seems to train all his runners that way
Who is David Roche and where/who does he coach?
timeVsDistance wrote:
Fitzy, do you have a link to your training anywhere?
I don't want to give a link out of privacy concerns, but here's a list of workouts leading up to a big breakthrough. A lot of the improvement was probably due to steady mileage (first solid stretch of 70+ mile weeks in my running career), but I think the switch to workouts by time helped me focus on finding the correct effort instead of worrying about pace minutia.
9/16/15: 4x3 mins on/2 mins off +1x2 mins on. Somewhere around 5k effort. Mostly on a slight uphill (2-3% grade) except the 4th rep. I did a lot of these workouts on the same 1+ mile stretch of road...would go hard uphill and jog back down. When I ran out of room going uphill I did a downhill rep.
9/23/15: 20 min tempo
-Break from organized workouts where I wasn't feeling great and aborted a few workouts, just worked on mileage, maybe did a few impromptu progression runs but they were untimed.
10/19/15: 4x3 on/2 off
10/22/15: 21 min tempo, 4x1 on/1 off
10/27/15: 8x3 on/1 off in the rain, a little faster than tempo effort
11/3/15: 6x2 on/2 off, closer to 3k-5k effort
11/11/15: 24 min tempo
11/17/15: 5x3 on/ 2 off
11/23/15: 5x2 on/2 off
Those are all of the "hard" workouts I did (along with a weekly speed session...something like 6x15s fast/45s jog, or 6x30s fast/1 min jog), and I dropped a nearly 2 min PB in the 8k that Thanksgiving. Perhaps I was just poorly trained before and the mileage alone would have lead to that kind of performance, but it wasn't like I was doing 30-40 mile weeks in college. Lately I've basically been doing the same workouts on a flatter surface without the tempo runs (and less mileage due to being busy at work) and dropped another PR this Thanksgiving.