i'm going to start a company to organize 'persistence hunts' on my land

What type animals are you gonna hunt?

You better have a high fence and a few thousand acres or it'll feel like you are just chasing them in circles in a pen. With no high fence you'll need 20,000ac and you'll still lose a lot before they get to the neighbors.

How are you going to track the animal? The hard part would be finding them quickly when you lose track so they don't have time to rest.

I'm not convinced that the concept of persistence hunting is anything but a myth out of the 'Born to Run' fad which has mostly passed.

a myth? wrote:

which has mostly passed.

Let's bring it back

Would be cool, but you'd have to have a lot of land.

I've been chasing mule deer and elk for 30 years. No way a human can chase one to exhaustion. The most effective way is to be still and wait for them to walk by, or use terrain to allow you to sneak up on them to within 100 yards and shoot them.

a myth? wrote:

I'm not convinced that the concept of persistence hunting is anything but a myth out of the 'Born to Run' fad which has mostly passed.

I agree, the whole premise is idiotic. Its just not metabolically efficient for a group of people to run an animal to the point of exhaustion. The animals are also smarter than we think, when they get tired, they rejoin the herd, and then you don't know which one is tired and which one isn't.

There were easier ways to find food. Plants don't move at all and many of them are edible.

stick man wrote:

a myth? wrote:

I'm not convinced that the concept of persistence hunting is anything but a myth out of the 'Born to Run' fad which has mostly passed.

I agree, the whole premise is idiotic. Its just not metabolically efficient for a group of people to run an animal to the point of exhaustion. The animals are also smarter than we think, when they get tired, they rejoin the herd, and then you don't know which one is tired and which one isn't.

There were easier ways to find food. Plants don't move at all and many of them are edible.

Great another vegan imposing his beliefs on us!

How much land do you have ?

At the end, presuming you can track down say a deer, how are you presuming to dispatch the animal?

Fox hunting does this already, but with horses. Go look at their fees ... (Super rich activity)

Im curious, but don't think I'd want to , let alone pay for the opportunity to exhaust myself running down a deer ....

a myth? wrote:

I'm not convinced that the concept of persistence hunting is anything but a myth out of the 'Born to Run' fad which has mostly passed.

It didn't happen everywhere but it certainly does in areas of extreme heat or deep snow.

A decent runner can run down a deer in good tracking snow.

CroMag wrote:

How much land do you have ?

At the end, presuming you can track down say a deer, how are you presuming to dispatch the animal?

Fox hunting does this already, but with horses. Go look at their fees ... (Super rich activity)

Im curious, but don't think I'd want to , let alone pay for the opportunity to exhaust myself running down a deer ....

You pay to exhaust yourself at road races, correct?

Nathaniel Bummpo wrote:

a myth? wrote:

I'm not convinced that the concept of persistence hunting is anything but a myth out of the 'Born to Run' fad which has mostly passed.

It didn't happen everywhere but it certainly does in areas of extreme heat or deep snow.

A decent runner can run down a deer in good tracking snow.

What is the minimum 5k required to be able to track this creature?

About $2....maybe close to $10 if lunch is included.

snow flake wrote:

stick man wrote:

I agree, the whole premise is idiotic. Its just not metabolically efficient for a group of people to run an animal to the point of exhaustion. The animals are also smarter than we think, when they get tired, they rejoin the herd, and then you don't know which one is tired and which one isn't.

There were easier ways to find food. Plants don't move at all and many of them are edible.

Great another vegan imposing his beliefs on us!

lol

Nathaniel Bummpo wrote:

a myth? wrote:

I'm not convinced that the concept of persistence hunting is anything but a myth out of the 'Born to Run' fad which has mostly passed.

It didn't happen everywhere but it certainly does in areas of extreme heat or deep snow.

A decent runner can run down a deer in good tracking snow.

You think a person can run faster than a deer in snow? Or extreme heat?

Maybe if a deer was stuck in a huge snow drift, but that's luck, not persistence.

Four legged animals can't breathe properly when running, they pant. The anaerobic effort is short.

Use tracking dogs, like fox hunters. Use hounds and you don't even have to run. I don't think neighbors would mind hunting on their land, unless they are growing hay or other small plants.

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Nathaniel Bummpo wrote:

It didn't happen everywhere but it certainly does in areas of extreme heat or deep snow.

A decent runner can run down a deer in good tracking snow.

You think a person can run faster than a deer in snow? Or extreme heat?

Maybe if a deer was stuck in a huge snow drift, but that's luck, not persistence.

Yes. A person can carry and drink water. in the heat In the winter with deep snow persistence hunters used snowshoes and skis. That's not luck. That's smart.

But a person can run down a deer in non-hindering fresh snow where no time is wasted tracking. Deer run in circles. A person needs to just run a smaller circle.

I ran a deer to a standstill in about 8 inches of fresh snow when I could run about 10 miles in an hour.

Nathaniel Bummpo wrote:

....,.,. wrote:

You think a person can run faster than a deer in snow? Or extreme heat?

Maybe if a deer was stuck in a huge snow drift, but that's luck, not persistence.

Yes. A person can carry and drink water. in the heat In the winter with deep snow persistence hunters used snowshoes and skis. That's not luck. That's smart.

But a person can run down a deer in non-hindering fresh snow where no time is wasted tracking. Deer run in circles. A person needs to just run a smaller circle.

I ran a deer to a standstill in about 8 inches of fresh snow when I could run about 10 miles in an hour.

I've shot around 40 deer with a bow still hunting or spot and stalking. So never from a stand. I've watched thousands of hours worth of deer and elk

. They don't run in circles. Sometimes they bolt for the horizon, sometimes they keep just enough distance, don't confuse close with caught. You can't run them down unless maybe they are the borderline domestic deer found in suburbs. Your premise is absurd on its face.

Should go without saying skiing and snowshoeing isn't running. And sneaking isn't persistence, you can definitely sneak them.

Maybe you should actually chase one? The deer I chased was in rough wild country far from suburbia. It turned to face me with its head down when it failed to jump a bunch of fallen timber. I could have speared it.