Holy hell the depth at CIM.

So sad to see people putting so much time and energy into tearing down others' accomplishments. Take some time to self reflect on the kind of person you want to be and what is really driving you to post these comments. Pretty clear to the rest of us that there is a lot of jealousy and insecurity behind it.

Cici wrote:

Fun fact: The guy who finished 24th lives in my area. He is a beast. I've taken a few of his KOMs but I was cherry picking lol.

Fun Fact, I was teammates with Ramiro "Curly" in college! He's a beast!

There is a girl (Amanda Cruise) that ran a 2:44:42 the other day at CIM. She ran a 17:48 5k (PR)Turkey trot 2 weeks before CIM.

According to McMillan, a 2:44 marathon should equate to roughly a 16:54 5k. I think this course knocked off 2-5 minutes from a standard marathon, depending on the runne.

Questioning wrote:

There is a girl (Amanda Cruise) that ran a 2:44:42 the other day at CIM. She ran a 17:48 5k (PR)Turkey trot 2 weeks before CIM.

According to McMillan, a 2:44 marathon should equate to roughly a 16:54 5k. I think this course knocked off 2-5 minutes from a standard marathon, depending on the runne.

1/10

Try Again wrote:

1/10

Maybe try posting a cogent argument instead of a cryptic fraction bereft of thought.

Questioning wrote:

There is a girl (Amanda Cruise) that ran a 2:44:42 the other day at CIM. She ran a 17:48 5k (PR)Turkey trot 2 weeks before CIM.

According to McMillan, a 2:44 marathon should equate to roughly a 16:54 5k. I think this course knocked off 2-5 minutes from a standard marathon, depending on the runne.

Hasn't she only been running for a few years? Not exactly the best example to use. She even said that she's never pushed hard in races before recently.

How this leads you to believe that CIM is 2-5 minutes fast...I have no idea. 1/10

I agree the conditions were great and people ran well. Yes, probably once in a lifetime day. Many factors no doubt. However, there wasn't a tailwind. It was a 3-5mph headwind in the middle miles(11-16 or so.) Not a big deal but noticeable and cooling.

The biggest factor to me personally was the pack mentality. I've never had or seen such support from other runners in the middle of a race. So much encouragement from each other. If someone fell off the pace a little, multiple people would shout at them to get back into the pack. Normally it's silence. It felt more like a local group run than a race. Look at the size of the packs from the 2:12 through 3 hrs. The groups held together far longer than I've ever seen.

I appreciate all of the monday am quarterbacks who weren't there. The perspective is enlightening.

I don't get it!

Fellow runners devote months of sacrifice and hard work to run 26.2 miles as fast as they can. They have picked a fairly fast course (not the fastest) and were lucky enough to be blessed with almost perfect weather. And instead of being congratulated for achieving their goals other runners are dismissing their efforts because of their good fortune for having a day of great weather.

It seems like everything has become so polarized in this Country. Democrats-Republicans, wealthy-poor, city dwellers-country dwellers, white-black, etc. and now, because of a few disgusting male predators, women-men.

I would have thought that runners would have risen above this kind of pettiness.

I love how so many of the runners on this thread are buying into the NIKE myth about their new shoes. Wow, they really suckered you all in with the breaking 2 (i.e., breaking the WIND) stunt.

Not saying they aren't good shoes, but quite a few people on this thread seem to think that Nike's shoes had more to do with the fast times than did than the downhill course, perfect weather with tailwind part of the time, and good competition (which were the real factors, in that order).

These shoes, over other top level shoes, don't give you several minutes for "free". Sorry. (maybe some seconds, and maybe a small psychological boost, but that's likely it)

are they 4 real?? wrote:

I know, and all these dudes on here who set their pr's are so afraid to admit it's a cupcake course, and that they maybe had a tailwind to boot (newsflash: when the wind is at your back, it feels like there is "no wind.").

If it is so easy, why don't you go out there next year and set the WR? Or at least the soft AR? Don't be a CUPCAKE, get on the plane and go run down that BS ski jump hill!!!

My guess is that you are really just a 19 min 5k keyboard warrior who has never accomplished anything, and rather than go grind away, run hard, and reap the rewards of good training, you tear others down to mask your embarrassment over being a mentally weak individual. Sad.

Picking the right race on the right day based upon historical weather data, elevation charts(these can be deceiving) and prior results is one of the most important skills in a marathon career. Congrats to those who chose this race, played the odds and saw everything fall into place.

Depth in a marathon Boston 83 2:45.48 got you 1223rd place

So is Frankfurt marathon more downhill? Cause Sara hall ran 1 min slower to win CIM

San Diego hobby jogger wrote:

So is Frankfurt marathon more downhill? Cause Sara hall ran 1 min slower to win CIM

nice try troll. Hall was barely recovered from Frankfurt and was probably expecting 2:30 at best. With no competition she didn't even run hard and STILL ran a very fast time for her. nice try.

chiming in as a female who ran CIM in the so called "cheater shoes."

i did two tune up races prior to CIM. about 2 months out I ran a PR in the half in 1:30:30. on thanksgiving i ran a PR in the 10k in 40:26. (sorry still a hobby jogger)

according to my training (peak at 65 miles, longest run of 23 miles) and various marathon calculators, i should have been able to run in the 3:08-3:11 range. I finished in 3:09:XX, exactly as my fitness indicated. I ran almost even splits, coming in the half in about 1:34:30.

if CIM were truly a downhill ski slope and if the vaporfly 4%'s would really make me 4% faster, i should have been around 7-8 minutes faster. clearly i was not.

it is undoubtedly true that CIM generally has excellent weather and competitive packs to run with. you all have the opportunity to come out next year to run massive PRs. why not try it instead of being jealous trolls behind your computers?

Choose or lose wrote:

Picking the right race on the right day based upon historical weather data, elevation charts(these can be deceiving) and prior results is one of the most important skills in a marathon career. Congrats to those who chose this race, played the odds and saw everything fall into place.

lol. So if I run one of those downhill miles that often give people literally 20-30 seconds over a flat course (elites ran 3:31 -3:32 mile on one of those courses), and I am normally a ~ low 4:20's miler but knock 20-25 seconds of my pr, can I say that I am a 4:00 miler ? And will you pat me on my back for being so smart and "skillful" enough (lol) to choose a downhill, point to point, wind aided course ? Or will you laugh at me for telling everyone, without the slightest mention of, shall we say, favorable circumstances, that my pr is 4:00 ?

Get real.

female runner at CIM wrote:

it is undoubtedly true that CIM generally has excellent weather and competitive packs to run with. you all have the opportunity to come out next year to run massive PRs. why not try it instead of being jealous trolls behind your computers?

lol. Somehow in your above list of positive circumstances you left out "very downhill, few climbs, and point to point." Seriously?

So yes, I'm a jealous hater (if that makes you feel better). But once again, I'm not allowed to point out that the course was majorly downhill with little elevation??

So am I hater to say: Mike Boit is REALLY not a legit 3:28 miler? Do I need to fly out to that race and run it before I make that statement??

ok my b added "it is undoubtedly true that CIM generally has excellent weather, is very downhill, has few climbs, and is a point to point course. there are also competitive packs to run with. you all have the opportunity to come out next year to run massive PRs. why not try it instead of being jealous trolls behind your computers?"

but you seem to have failed elementary math class. 26.2 miles is 26.2 miles longer than one mile. pretty sure it's not a good comparison.

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