Who does the high school rankings for MileSplit and why are they so biased to NY and east coast teams?

We’ll find out the validity of your claim at NXN...

There seems to be a dislike of Dana Hills too. 5 pts behind Roosevelt at CIF SS and they beat St. Francis head on at Clovis. Yet Roosevelt is ranked #12, St. Francis #14 and Dana at #21... Doesn't make sense.

NY gets to run on terrain and in weather they are used to at NXN. CA is much drier and warmer. This is a big adjustment, but the CA boys teams will stomp the NY boys teams this year. NY boys getting auto-bids is absurd. There is no way they deserve their own qualifying race. Looking at speed ratings, we see a lot of NY boys who ran 9:25-9:35 getting the same speed ratings as CA boys who ran 9:05-9:15 last season. Those are two totally different caliber athletes, yet in the eyes of Meylan and MileSplit they are equal. Alright, I need to take my blood pressure meds now. This is getting out of control. I would expect a closer version of reality from Trump at this point than MileSplit.

Niles wrote:

We’ll find out the validity of your claim at NXN...

Again, we’ll find out at NXN...

Probably why they have Katelyn Tuohy ranked above Claudia Lane too lol. Not that I have anything against Katelyn, she will probably win NXN (by a significant margin) if she goes there, it's just that putting her ahead of Claudia who is a defending National Champ, sub 10 3200m runner, sub 16 at Mt. Sac (Not even the phenoms like Sarah Baxter, Jordan Hasay, Amber Trotter could do that), etc. doesn't seem justified just because she has been setting course records left and right this season. Those two really need to race each other in a true XC match up if they want to be considered the #1 girl in the country.

Niles wrote:

Again, we’ll find out at NXN...

"History will judge" --GWB

I have no pony in this race but I don't think that sounds like a totally reasonable argument. Haven't they been doing this for a while now?

Katelyn Tuohy has destroyed records ran by high school running greats like Mary Cain and Aisling Cuffe. She also broke the record at the state meet course when it was running about a minute and a half slow. A minute and a half. Then you can also compare her to Kelsey Chimel who got 5th at MAN. Tuohy has completely destroyed her head to head this year. Tuohy is the fastest girl in the nation. I agree with what everyone has said about the NY boys, although Burnt Hills could make some noise if they run well.

Side Note: She was 40 seconds ahead of Chimel at Feds, and only 1 minute behind boys champion Mason Gatewood.

WestCoastSalt wrote:

Probably why they have Katelyn Tuohy ranked above Claudia Lane too lol. Not that I have anything against Katelyn, she will probably win NXN (by a significant margin) if she goes there, it's just that putting her ahead of Claudia who is a defending National Champ, sub 10 3200m runner, sub 16 at Mt. Sac (Not even the phenoms like Sarah Baxter, Jordan Hasay, Amber Trotter could do that), etc. doesn't seem justified just because she has been setting course records left and right this season. Those two really need to race each other in a true XC match up if they want to be considered the #1 girl in the country.

FYI Katelyn Tuohy broke Footlocker Champ Aislin Cuffe’s course record this year by 24 seconds. Lane beat Sarah Baxter’s record by even less in a faster version of Mt. Sac. Now cues your response that Baxter is way faster than Cuffe, but I’m not buying it. Look back at a few of her races which were truly spectacular. And to acknowledge the claims that Tuohy should go to Footlocker and not dodge (not you specifically, but to other posters) Claudia Lane, Tuohy made a team choice and is going to the same meet she always had gone too. Given good conditions I think that course record could go down by 25-35 seconds by Tuohy. Last year Katelyn ran 18:15 at Bowdoin to be the fourth of five individual qualifiers. She ran 47 seconds slower than Brie Oakley at Nationals. She just ran 1:23 faster this weekend at Bowdoin. Accepting this is not a perfect conversion method, it still puts her 36 seconds ahead of where Brie Oakley was last year at NXN... I look forward to interesting replies.

Niles wrote:

Again, we’ll find out at NXN...

What we’ll find out is that New York should not have its own qualifier.

Doc Rivers wrote:

Niles wrote:

Again, we’ll find out at NXN...

What we’ll find out is that New York should not have its own qualifier.

This year the NY boys aren't particularly strong and the Cali boys are very strong. History shows that NY and Cali should each have their own qualifier.

"There are a minimum of 10 teams from California right now ahead of New York's best, yet the knuckleheads at MileSplit only have 1 CA team ranked ahead of NY. "

Dude are you fucking retarded?

Tism? wrote:

"There are a minimum of 10 teams from California right now ahead of New York's best, yet the knuckleheads at MileSplit only have 1 CA team ranked ahead of NY. "

Dude are you fucking retarded?

Burnt Hills is #6 in the us according to Milesplit... you buy THAT??? Match them up against any school in CA that is halfway decent and they will get destroyed. Corning and FM are even better too considering they beat them at States. Dana Hills has 8 runners ahead of the 3rd runner in any NY team and they are only the fifth best team in the state. You little NYers think you’re so special just because Bill Meylan likes to make you all feel good about yourselves. It’s a shame CA can’t get all four wildcard to NXN since that would be most fair.

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The reason NY has its own qualifier is to give NE teams a chance to go to NXN. Let’s face it, if NY was merged with NE, it would be NY teams going to NXN and not NE. NY has so many heavy hitters, they’re always good.

Where are you making up these arbitrary claims? Are you basing all of your claims on the state meet? If California is so good why don't they win NXN every year huh? A team from New York, Liverpool who finished 2nd at the regional by quite a margin, placed 10th beating every California team except for Great Oak, b-b-but those NY teams arent Liverpool!! But when you look at results, this year NY teams are running the same marks if not better. And you keep using 3200m times to relate to cross country, news flash! Xc is Xc and Track is Track

MileSplit Only Hires Cretins wrote:

Do you suppose it's because they consider speed ratings to be coming from the word of God and God in this case, Bill Meylan is also from NY? Currently NY boys teams are ranked 6th, 7th and 8th, yet their best team, Burnt Hills would not have even made it to the California state meet if they had to qualify out of the division 1 southern section. That's right, they would have been lucky to get 8th place. There are a minimum of 10 teams from California right now ahead of New York's best, yet the knuckleheads at MileSplit only have 1 CA team ranked ahead of NY.

Are there any national rankings that are not such a disgrace?

Could someone please convince Rich Gonzalez to do the national rankings? At least it would be someone who knows what they are talking about.

You had me until you wrote knuckleheads.

CA Boys Rule wrote:

Tism? wrote:

"There are a minimum of 10 teams from California right now ahead of New York's best, yet the knuckleheads at MileSplit only have 1 CA team ranked ahead of NY. "

Dude are you fucking retarded?

Burnt Hills is #6 in the us according to Milesplit... you buy THAT??? Match them up against any school in CA that is halfway decent and they will get destroyed. Corning and FM are even better too considering they beat them at States. Dana Hills has 8 runners ahead of the 3rd runner in any NY team and they are only the fifth best team in the state. You little NYers think you’re so special just because Bill Meylan likes to make you all feel good about yourselves. It’s a shame CA can’t get all four wildcard to NXN since that would be most fair.

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Burnt Hills is a better team than corning and FM. They lost in the merge by 6 points which could be made up by about a second. Burnt Hills ran in worse conditions than both of those teams as the course just got muddier between their two races. Burnt Hills also had a sup par race since their usual 3rd guy was about 25 seconds back.

Funny, especially considering the NY boys individuals are far superior to the California individuals this year. And NY girls have always, and still do, far outmatch those of CA, teamwise and individual wise. Oh and not to mention, that's also with New York having school sizes 1/3 the size of the California schools. It's okay to be a little butthurt, Doc, but it'd be nice if you actually looked at the facts here.

Tism? wrote:

Where are you making up these arbitrary claims? Are you basing all of your claims on the state meet? If California is so good why don't they win NXN every year huh? A team from New York, Liverpool who finished 2nd at the regional by quite a margin, placed 10th beating every California team except for Great Oak, b-b-but those NY teams arent Liverpool!! But when you look at results, this year NY teams are running the same marks if not better. And you keep using 3200m times to relate to cross country, news flash! Xc is Xc and Track is Track

I'm not sure what year you're talking about, but it's 2017 now and I believe this thread is about the 2017 season.

Here are some interesting performances to compare and contrast CA and NY using 3200 meter times from track.

NY - 107 sub-10 returning boys (fr., so., or jr. last track season)

CA - 423 sub-10 returning boys (fr., so., or jr. last track season)

NY - 9:57.92 = 100th fastest returning 3200 runner (fr., so., or jr. last track season)

CA - 9:36.12 = 100th fastest returning 3200 runner (fr. so., or jr. last track season)

CA - 9:57.91 = 222nd fastest returning 3200 runner that was a jr.

CA - 9:57.86 = 121st fastest returning 3200 runner that was a so. (not including claudia lane)

CA - 9:57.82 - 40th fastest returning 3200 runner that was a fr.

California appears to have about 4 times the depth at any given speed versus New York and on average is about 10 seconds per mile faster at the same ranking relative to one's peers in the state. The data says California's current junior class on it's own could beat all grades combined from New York.

How often do we see 7:36 3K runners being beat by 7:56 3K guys when racing over 5000? It's completely unreasonable to be giving speed ratings to 9:57 3200 NY boys that are the same ratings a 9:36 3200 CA boy would get, but this is exactly what's happening.