Kevin Castille set a M 45-49 age group world record in the 10K on the roads today

clean castille wrote:

to the effing gills

Normal thought given the circumstance. Was there testing at this race?

Normal thought given the circumstance wrote:

clean castille wrote:

to the effing gills

Normal thought given the circumstance. Was there testing at this race?

Testing at the race is closing the gate after the cows got out.

I’m going to guess the people saying he’s an outlier or are not at least suspicious are not 40 yet.

dad bod wrote:

YMMV wrote:

At what point did "testosterone therapy" become "not doping"? I feel like we live in Krazy World now with this stuff. Even with a TUE it is still doping, just with legal sanction.

If an MD diagnoses you with a condition, how can you call it doping?

Your medical condition, and the rules in sport are separate things. If you take a performance enhancing substance you're doping

oboeviolin wrote:

Your medical condition, and the rules in sport are separate things. If you take a performance enhancing substance you're doping

That's ludicrous. And the rule makers seem to think so too. Not doping.

oboeviolin wrote:

Your medical condition, and the rules in sport are separate things. If you take a performance enhancing substance you're doping

That second sentence needs to be corrected - if you take a substance that is banned by WADA, you are cheating - regardless of whether it is performance enhancing or needed for a medical condition. There's performance enhancing substances that are legal - caffeine, sugar, and water come to mind.

But I agree that a medical condition and the rules are two different things. Having a doctor's prescription doesn't mean you can ignore the rules.

darkwave wrote:

Having a doctor's prescription doesn't mean you can ignore the rules.

That's why you apply for a RCTUE:

Keven is very bad person !

Mbarak Hussein ran 29:47 at Peachtree one year as a 45 year old no?

If you're going to set an age-group record, it's going to be at 45. If the time was 28 minutes, it'd be a lot more suspect. There has to be an advantage taking time off for a while from hard training. I believe this time more than a WR time where full-time pro's can't get remotely close.

Castillum wrote:

I’m going to guess the people saying he’s an outlier or are not at least suspicious are not 40 yet.

A 60-something poster on this board says anyone without disability could run at least 100mpw. The only ones who cannot are the ones who haven't tried.

So 120mpw is nothing extraordinary for him. It's just 20% above the bare minimum.

When did people question how many miles he runs? I thought they were questioning his performances...

Tell It Like It Is wrote:

Lee Trethewy wrote:

This entire argument is BULLSHIT!

There's clear differences between taking something that is not banned (but may be someday)

and

taking something that's banned for most people (T) because you get an EXEMPTION for it.

https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1550-2783-7-5

Caffeine produces *significant* improvement in VO2max, LT, time to exhaustion, etc. in endurance exercise. You think you can find any studies that show androgens have a significant impact on endurance markers? Androgens are overrated for endurance exercise.

First, why did you post that irrelevant link about caffeine?

Second, I assume you're kidding about androgens and endurance exercise, right? They sure as hell help a man with ANY exercise when there's deficiencies thanks to natural aging.

Just like EPO should not really help a 400m runner but it would sure help 400 m runner with a Hemocit of 8.6!!!

120 wrote:

When did people question how many miles he runs? I thought they were questioning his performances...

Here is one poster who questioned his 120mpw.

I think that was just one part of the post...120 miles, plus no injuries, and racing all the time and setting records.

All together, at 45, seems fishy.

Coached Fitness Blogger wrote:

Tell It Like It Is wrote:

https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1550-2783-7-5

Caffeine produces *significant* improvement in VO2max, LT, time to exhaustion, etc. in endurance exercise. You think you can find any studies that show androgens have a significant impact on endurance markers? Androgens are overrated for endurance exercise.

First, why did you post that irrelevant link about caffeine?

Second, I assume you're kidding about androgens and endurance exercise, right? They sure as hell help a man with ANY exercise when there's deficiencies thanks to natural aging.

Just like EPO should not really help a 400m runner but it would sure help 400 m runner with a Hemocit of 8.6!!!

What's a "Hemocit?"

"120 miles/week" sounds suspiciously like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIl5RxhLZ5U

Fitness doesn't just fall off a cliff once you turn 40. Most of slow down as masters more because we can't train the way we used to without getting injured.

So - get a guy who is impervious to injury and he'll continue to be fast. It's going to catch up with him one of these days, but it didn't catch up to me until my late 30's, so 45 doesn't seem crazy.

fwi ba pa bada put wrote:

Fitness doesn't just fall off a cliff once you turn 40. Most of slow down as masters more because we can't train the way we used to without getting injured.

So - get a guy who is impervious to injury and he'll continue to be fast. It's going to catch up with him one of these days, but it didn't catch up to me until my late 30's, so 45 doesn't seem crazy.

I don't think age means anything anymore. Actually more guys are getting faster in their 40s than ever before. And the 50s are the new 30s, the 60s the new 40s, and so forth. The advancements in sports medicine & sports supplements have made all the difference (the old guys & gals from decades ago never had the cutting edge things we have now). And I'm sure TRT & hormonal replacement therapy has had some impact, but I think it's a minority of runners that use that stuff as opposed to middle-aged gym rats that want to get buffed for the ladies.

In fact, you could argue that even 90s is the now new 70s. Take a look at a 97 yr old setting a new WR in the 90+ 5k at 48 mins!!!?