Fast Old Dudes in Philly - Rothman 8K

That 26:13 looks to be an M55 American Record, putting him 15 seconds ahead of Pete Magill, almost a minute up on Brian Pilcher, and only two seconds off the WR held by none other than Martin Rees. If it holds up, this guy is a new master's star.

http://www.arrs.net/Veterans/VR4_R8K.htm

Larson does seem to have a fairly stout resume, including a 26:25 last year:

http://more.arrs.net/runner/14767

YMMV wrote:

Larson does seem to have a fairly stout resume, including a 26:25 last year:

http://more.arrs.net/runner/14767

And a 2:18 marathon in his youth.

Franklin Follies wrote:

I got my butt kicked by a bunch of old dudes yesterday at the Rothman 8k in Philly. A 55 year old running 26:19???!!! It was depressing.

Juan Almonte Philadelphia PA M/40 25:34 25:34 5:08/mi

Mike Padilla Phoenixville PA M/43 26:01 26:02 5:14/mi

Jonathan Frieder Rye Brook NY M/47 26:08 26:08 5:15/mi

Zach Chupa Hockessin DE M/42 26:13 26:14 5:16/mi

Nat Larson Amherst MA M/55 26:19 26:20 5:17/mi

Philippe Rolly Mc Lean VA M/45 26:26 26:26 5:19/mi

Kyle Brightbill Philadelphia PA M/42 27:11 27:12 5:28/mi

Brian Crispell Media PA M/41 27:12 27:13 5:28/mi

Elliott Frieder Montville NJ M/47 27:17 27:18 5:29/mi

Tim Harte Coatesville PA M/49 27:20 27:21 5:29/mi

Dave Welsh Oaklyn NJ M/40 27:23 27:24 5:30/mi

Running is about ability, not age. A 60 year old can smoke a 20 year old, and a 20 year old can smoke a 60 year old. It all depends on ability, training, etc. That is the great thing about running, age is not necessarily a factor.

and your title should read: FAST DUDES IN PHILLY.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

That is the great thing about running, age is not necessarily a factor.

This just simply isn't true

Running "older" is about muscle mass and the ability to retain muscle.

Nat Larson's legs are legit... freaking beast at 55 yrs old. I think half his body weight is in his legs.

https://www.google.com/search?q=nat+larson&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS771US771&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9re7BscvXAhWog1QKHanACcsQsAQILQ&biw=1536&bih=735#imgrc=VyiYJUkS2BxfAM

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Moby wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

That is the great thing about running, age is not necessarily a factor.

This just simply isn't true

Scorpion_jogger is the most consistently stupid poster on this board. Just avoid reading his posts if you can.

Hard not to think that all these ageless older men’s with absolutely shredded legs aren’t doped to the gils with HGH.

Moby wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

That is the great thing about running, age is not necessarily a factor.

This just simply isn't true

NOT NECESSARILY, keyword.

If we are talking an elite runner in his prime vs a elite master runner, then yes age is going to be the difference, considering they are both well trained.

However, I have seen master runners smoke level 2 and level 3 high school and college runners, runners who run 15 - 17 mins for 5k.

So again age is no always a factor. When it comes to running, its all about the quality of the runner.

Overthe wrote:

Hard not to think that all these ageless older men’s with absolutely shredded legs aren’t doped to the gils with HGH.

Nah, just well trained. Think about the young fast runners that Ed Whitlock smoked in his 50s and 60s. If you take care of yourself, and put in the training, and have proper NUTRITION, you can run fast for a long, long time.

The only problem with getting older is recovery, not necessarily ability. Being able to limit injuries is the main problem that older runners have to deal with, but if an older runner trains and eats correctly, then the injuries can be limited.

Overthe wrote:

Hard not to think that all these ageless older men’s with absolutely shredded legs aren’t doped to the gils with HGH.

Shredded legs are meaningless. I am older than him and my entire physique is shredded, and I am clean as fallen snow but slow as dirt. I get beat by guys who look like they haven't been off the couch in a decade. I do feel good and healthy though, so don't mind slogging through 40-50 mile weeks.

A better indicator to me of possible doping is guys who fly all over the country to place in masters' meets. They have two things you need to dope: money and high, possibly excessive, ambition. Back in the day I picked up a few national podiums, but damned if I would fly across the country for one.

Yeah? Post a picture how shredded you are? Larson is not shredded. He has huge muscle mass for 55.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Overthe wrote:

Hard not to think that all these ageless older men’s with absolutely shredded legs aren’t doped to the gils with HGH.

Nah, just well trained. Think about the young fast runners that Ed Whitlock smoked in his 50s and 60s. If you take care of yourself, and put in the training, and have proper NUTRITION, you can run fast for a long, long time.

The only problem with getting older is recovery, not necessarily ability. Being able to limit injuries is the main problem that older runners have to deal with, but if an older runner trains and eats correctly, then the injuries can be limited.

Negative younster...I'm in my late 50s and have been running for 35 yrs, eat extremely healthy, cross & strength train, and still have a plethora of injuries (ruptured PTT, ankle OA, Achilles tendonosis, IT band friction syndrome...just to name a few). Most of my injuries started when I turned 50 several yrs ago which is consistent with the studies showing significant degenerative changes starting with athletes at 50 yrs of age. Go check out the 50+ master thread and you'll see a lot of chronic injuries & high frustration levels with some of those old bucks that post regularly (it's my kind of music ?).

And the comparison to Whitlock is getting old...the guy was pure skin & bones - low impact forces at work there & obviously good genetics (who would have thought). I also understand that he took some significant time off from running in his 40s or 50s (?).

has wrote:

Yeah? Post a picture how shredded you are? Larson is not shredded. He has huge muscle mass for 55.

...but no cigs or wounds (except sometimes on my shins after running brushy trails).

Larson's legs are shredded, but not large except in proportion to his emaciated upper body.