Univ. San Francisco ALL FOREIGN TEAM PART 2

San Francisco is not actually a part of the United States of America,so this is not a problem.

Whichever male assistant you are that she fired for thinking you were her boss, please give it a rest. Sorry your mid-major team sucks because you keep trying to "develop domestic talent" & she figured out how to be successful at a mid-major. And this is coming from a coach who directly competes against USF.

Coach who competes with USF... wrote:

Whichever male assistant you are that she fired for thinking you were her boss, please give it a rest. Sorry your mid-major team sucks because you keep trying to "develop domestic talent" & she figured out how to be successful at a mid-major. And this is coming from a coach who directly competes against USF.

This is spot on ^. It has taken a decade and a half for Helen to hone the culture at USF. If someone wants to rant about foreign/transfer presence on team rosters, please include any and all other programs that engage in this practice. Will the OP be happier if UNM and their collective beat USF this coming weekend?

Wow Butthole, someone as a burr up the old hole.

BUTTHOLE SURFER wrote:

The Univ. of San Francisco women's cross country team are now 100% foreign runners.

Nice job Coach Winters!!!!

You finally figured out that you're not good enough to develop/coach young domestic runners. It's WAY EASIER to go to Europe with your side-kick Benji-Boy and pluck out talented runners.

What a Joke!!!!

Dear Butthole Surfer,

I have learned a lot over the last 20 years of recruiting and coaching. And now our teamhas a great chance at finishing in the top 5 at the NCAA Championships. Have you learned anything, Butthole? I will send you a postcard from Kentucky!

Ciao

To me it feels like members of Olympic committees in certain countries develop relationships with NCAA coaches and send their developmental prospects to train in the US for free rather than spending money trying to develop talent in country where it would be much more expensive. For the most part the NCAAs are viewed abroad as a minor league where their athletes can develop at no cost to them. I can think of thousands of foreign Olympic athletes that have developed here, the only incident I can think of that going the other direction is Christian Pulisic, and he is doing it on a professional team, not at a school.

If you look at the Men's roster there are currently four freshmen, all four are American, all four are from the West Coast, and two are from California. So don't tell me they can't recruit American talent.

Give it a rest, being disgruntled looks so bad on you.

OP-

How would you suggest USF compete against the likes of Stanford or other top West + Mtn Region programs? USF as an institution will never attract the walk-on talent that schools like Berkeley, Portland, NAU, even UCSB will get.

For schools like USF or UTEP, coaches who want to keep their jobs and stay relevant to AD's, have to shop around globe (or flat earth).

birther wrote:

To me it feels like members of Olympic committees in certain countries develop relationships with NCAA coaches and send their developmental prospects to train in the US for free rather than spending money trying to develop talent in country where it would be much more expensive. For the most part the NCAAs are viewed abroad as a minor league where their athletes can develop at no cost to them. I can think of thousands of foreign Olympic athletes that have developed here, the only incident I can think of that going the other direction is Christian Pulisic, and he is doing it on a professional team, not at a school.

Well sending someone to the ncaa for distance running is the sure way to waste that runner. A 15-16 min 5k (women) wins you nothing in the real world outside of ncaa

Well sending someone to the ncaa for distance running is the sure way to waste that runner. A 15-16 min 5k (women) wins you nothing in the real world outside of ncaa[/quote]

I and the rest of the world disagree. Of the 168 NCAA current student athletes who competed at the 2016 Rio Games, 117 competed for foreign countries while 51 competed for the USA. If you extrapolate that ratio to the 1,018 current or former NCAA athletes who competed at the games, you would get roughly 300 Americans and 700 foreigners. US schools are developing the world's Olympians for free for those countries.

Coach who competes with USF... wrote:

Whichever male assistant you are that she fired for thinking you were her boss, please give it a rest. Sorry your mid-major team sucks because you keep trying to "develop domestic talent" & she figured out how to be successful at a mid-major. And this is coming from a coach who directly competes against USF.

Chris Shane!! Hahaha, don’t worry, he will be fired from his mid major school in a few weeks. “Don’t you know who my dad is?!”

San Francisco is arguably far more a part of American history and the world economy than all of Utah, and there are considerably more people in the Bay Area than in all of Utah.

xvxcvx wrote:

San Francisco is arguably far more a part of American history and the world economy than all of Utah, and there are considerably more people in the Bay Area than in all of Utah.

Getting off topic here, but have you been to Utah recently? Cranes along the freeways everywhere. Places like Sandy, UT are booming in tech right now. Give it 5 years and Utah will be a thriving and affordable alternative to Bay Area, Portland, Seattle, etc.

East Oakland Survivor wrote:

OP-

How would you suggest USF compete against the likes of Stanford or other top West + Mtn Region programs? USF as an institution will never attract the walk-on talent that schools like Berkeley, Portland, NAU, even UCSB will get.

For schools like USF or UTEP, coaches who want to keep their jobs and stay relevant to AD's, have to shop around globe (or flat earth).

It really about recruiting the talent to allow a team to compete against the big college programs.

The big schools get the best of the US talent and the USF's and New Mexico's have scrap to get foreign talent to be competitive. Its an old story thats been in collegiate athletics for years.

Once you have the talent you still have to coach them. Blended teams with US and foreign talent are a part of the formula as well.

Then you get an Adams State team that gets the 3rd tier athletes and develops them to their best potential being competitive with many Div. 1 schools.

Blank wrote:

have you been to Utah recently? Cranes along the freeways everywhere. Places like Sandy, UT are booming in tech right now. Give it 5 years and Utah will be a thriving and affordable alternative to Bay Area, Portland, Seattle, etc.

So the area's declining. Plus you'd have to live there to work there.

Then you have a garden spot like Eastern Kentucky: is this what we are coming to ?

I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree. I seriously doubt Chris Shame is making these posts. He left for a head coaching gig at Eastern Washington some time ago, and has always struck me as a decent guy. It's probably some rival program getting beat down by the now foreign-powered USF teams.

Too Funny wrote:

Coach who competes with USF... wrote:

Whichever male assistant you are that she fired for thinking you were her boss, please give it a rest. Sorry your mid-major team sucks because you keep trying to "develop domestic talent" & she figured out how to be successful at a mid-major. And this is coming from a coach who directly competes against USF.

Chris Shane!! Hahaha, don’t worry, he will be fired from his mid major school in a few weeks. “Don’t you know who my dad is?!”