All of this is for the argument that he is the best player of all time not the most clutch.
In his career Tom Brady has less than 40% completion rate when in a one touchdown game with 5 minutes to go. Not clutch
All of this is for the argument that he is the best player of all time not the most clutch.
In his career Tom Brady has less than 40% completion rate when in a one touchdown game with 5 minutes to go. Not clutch
Clutch.
The 49th-career game-winning drive by Brady in the fourth quarter or overtime contributed to a perception 16 seasons in the making. When the 39-year-old has a chance to decide the fate of a game, with his team either tied or trailing by a single score (up to eight points), success seems as close to certain as it’s ever been for any quarterback in NFL history.
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Patriots are 13-5 in games Tom Brady has missed. He's really good, but that has to factor in for something.
He threw for 4800 yards and 50 touchdowns in 2007. The year he missed in 2008, Matt Cassel had 21 touchdowns and they didn't make the playoffs despite an 11 and 5 record. Brady is obviously a difference maker.
Clutch less wrote:
Brady's playoff and Super Bowl stats are worse than his regular season stats. He is not so clutch, his coach on the other hand is very clutch.
Check the MLB stats, they keep records of everything, there are many players with better playoff stats than regular season stats, they are truly clutch, Brady on the other hand is not.
Which years did Brady play Major League Baseball?
Wait, Cassel was 11-5 without preseason prep (because he was the backup) and he has not made it with any other team. That speaks volumes for how good Belicheck is. Brady is just another guy with any other coach. Belicheck is a genius.
I'm under the impression that if Cassel would have stayed as starter under Belicheck for another five years, the Pat's would have done everything they did with Brady under center. It is obviously the coach. Except, that they might have beaten the Giants, where brady failed/
spgy wrote:
Some athletes just thrive and give their best performances under pressure. None have ever been better than Tom Brady, but there have been lots of other greats. Who would you place in the 2nd spot?
Waldemar Cierpinski for the Gold.
Problem: Lack of definition of “clutch.”
I believe the NBA defines it as time within the last five minutes of a game and the score is within five points.
Every sport would need a definition so you don’t end up talking about lifetime stats or crediting one player with team wins that resulted from contributions from many players. Consider, we’re giving Brady credit for the SB win over Seattle. Had the Seahawks run the ball and won would Brady’s legacy or “clutch” rating be different?
So, define clutch in the NFL.
But... to contribute a name Lasse Viren.
Bart Starr was incredibly clutch. His game was highly elevated during the playoffs going 9-1 and he STILL holds the NFL Passer Rating Career Playoffs Leaders (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career_playoffs.htm) even though he hasn't played since 1971! When it mattered most, like the Ice Bowl, he called his own number.
m runner wrote:
Patriots are 13-5 in games Tom Brady has missed. He's really good, but that has to factor in for something.
Where are you getting the 5 losses from? I count 8. Bledsoe started the first two games of 2001, both losses. Cassell went 10-5 as a started in 2008. Last year the Pats went 3-1 in the games Brady missed. That's a record of 13-8 or a .619 win percentag. With Brady in the regular season they have a .772 win percentage. That's the difference between a 9-10 win team and a 12-13 win team. 9-10 win teams don't always make the playoffs. 12-13 win teams usually get a buy and home field advantage.
Robert Horry??!??!?! Seriously?!!?!
The only reason he is even IN the discussion is because of the stupid-@ss NBA rule that lets you get the ball at 1/4 court (in the opponents side of the court) in the last 30 seconds of the game if you have possession and call a timeout. It is one of the dumbest "rules" in sports today. Like Team A makes a shot in the last 30 seconds. Team B calls timeout. Now Team B gets to inbound the ball from the sideline 3/4 of the way down the court. You don't need to dribble or pass the ball UP the court and use the clock. Just call a timeout and VOILA!
You are basically saying "our game isn't exciting and this will generate interest...who cares if it goes against the original intent and rules of the game".
Without this stupid rule, Horry wouldn't even be near the discussion because he wouldn't have made any of these "Big Shot" moments.
spgy wrote:
After Tom Brady, who is the 2nd most clutch athlete ever? Jordan? Pujols? Bird?
Amazing how all the clutch athletes in the world are American.
Big Papi
Poo Holes wrote:
spgy wrote:
After Tom Brady, who is the 2nd most clutch athlete ever? Jordan? Pujols? Bird?
Amazing how all the clutch athletes in the world are American.
Pujols was born in the DR. Idiot.
idddioot wrote:
Poo Holes wrote:
Amazing how all the clutch athletes in the world are American.
Pujols was born in the DR. Idiot.
He is an American citizen, and is thus...wait for it...American.
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
Without this stupid rule, Horry wouldn't even be near the discussion because he wouldn't have made any of these "Big Shot" moments.
But it is a rule and he made the shots
Poo Holes wrote:
idddioot wrote:
Pujols was born in the DR. Idiot.
He is an American citizen, and is thus...wait for it...American.
Man, you are dense. In WBC he plays for the DR, not the US. Educate yourself before opening your stupid mouth.
Lovely. However Tom Brady has led 10 game-winning drives in the playoffs, four more than any other quarterback in history and as many as John Elway and Dan Marino combined.
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