Charlie wrote:
How come SOME mediocre runners who age well laugh at others who used to kill em?
Because some of them laughed at us back when they were killing us.
Charlie wrote:
How come SOME mediocre runners who age well laugh at others who used to kill em?
Because some of them laughed at us back when they were killing us.
If you're training to not be fat and depressed, as most who still run at all post-competition, no one cares how fast you run your training miles. Except a few people here who almost certainly don't have a career and kids.
Bob's life looks great.
melted horror wrote:
I just find it puzzling as to exactly which aspect of ability completely disappears for most elites who pack it in for a while.
As a mediocre college runner who has turned into a pretty good masters runner it has been my observation that ability doesn't disappear for most elites who pack it in for a while. Rather, a bunch of extra pounds appear. The older men and women who are running well have managed to stay at their youthful competitive weight with the skinny elites still way ahead of us skinny 2nd tier talent people. The former elites who still run but are at at a comparatively lower level either recognize that putting on a bunch of extra poundage has compromised their performance or rationalize that adding weight is a natural consequence of aging.
I always wanted to be faster than Bob Kennedy. Now I am (barely). P.S. I'm older, too (I think).
I don't get the point of this thread. When you are in your 40s, an easy 5 mile run at 8 minute pace is a perfectly sensible way to stay in shape.
At his age, if you're not training for masters competition, this is the sort of thing you ought to be doing to maintain reasonable weight and fitness and not get injured, which is where you lose fitness. It's better to get 80% of the fitness gains of running than to try for 100%, get injured, and be getting 0% of the benefits.
revenge served cold wrote:
Charlie wrote:
How come SOME mediocre runners who age well laugh at others who used to kill em?
Because some of them laughed at us back when they were killing us.
To his everlasting credit, Ed Whitlock never seemed to gloat over his longevity.
Same age as Bob way faster wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
Exactly, they stop caring. Mr. "Same age as Bob way faster" is trying 1000 times harder than BK because he doesn't have a good career to look back on.
Nope. I am just keeping the wheels turning to hold my shape. It was a mere observation and I wondered why guys like Kennedy don't leap back into shape.
He ran enough to do a Marathon a couple of years ago and despite logging decent mileage he was still SAF.
Just go away.
Hi there, Father Time! wrote:
I don't get the point of this thread. When you are in your 40s, an easy 5 mile run at 8 minute pace is a perfectly sensible way to stay in shape.
At his age, if you're not training for masters competition, this is the sort of thing you ought to be doing to maintain reasonable weight and fitness and not get injured, which is where you lose fitness. It's better to get 80% of the fitness gains of running than to try for 100%, get injured, and be getting 0% of the benefits.
You would just think that a C level effort from a former elite might be a bit better than joe jogger.
That's all.
YMMV wrote:
revenge served cold wrote:
Because some of them laughed at us back when they were killing us.
To his everlasting credit, Ed Whitlock never seemed to gloat over his longevity.
Maybe he would have if those guys who thumped him in the 50s ever raced him later in life. ;)
So if you were marooned alone on an island with no chance of being "rescued" that had plenty of food shelter water a nice 400 meter mondo track , a stop watch and a high speed internet connection what would you do to pass the time?
Charlie wrote:
So if you were marooned alone on an island with no chance of being "rescued" that had plenty of food shelter water a nice 400 meter mondo track , a stop watch and a high speed internet connection what would you do to pass the time?
Try to contact help with my internet connection. Possibly google boatbuilding forums. Maybe some tanning and fishing.
I agree. I retired from competition with a serious injury years ago, and now run 30-60 miles/week pain-free but much slower, just for health and enjoyment. I have other things that I focus on now (and am frankly much better at), but that hour or so a day out on the track and trails is my meditation and my play. Every once in a while I feel a little frisky and imagine running fast again but it soon subsides to a mere simple pleasure.
to whit wrote:
YMMV wrote:
To his everlasting credit, Ed Whitlock never seemed to gloat over his longevity.
Maybe he would have if those guys who thumped him in the 50s ever raced him later in life. ;)
If I recall correctly he was a very good track runner in his 40's including a world masters title at 1500) but had to take a hiatus for injury (and work?) in his 50's/early 60's. By his record-setting seventies I imagine there weren't many of his old competitors around, he focused more on the clock and age-grading. I think his focus on age-grading was a healthy outlet for his competitive energies. I believe he was an engineer by trade and those types relish the power of numbers.
vivalarepublica wrote:
Rupp-A-Lupp wrote:
http://archive.dyestat.com/image/biz/040701NikeXCSpikes3.jpgHis XC spikes were straight fire.
Everybody and their mother had those babies.
My mom trained in combat boots.
YMMV wrote:
to whit wrote:
Maybe he would have if those guys who thumped him in the 50s ever raced him later in life. ;)
If I recall correctly he was a very good track runner in his 40's including a world masters title at 1500) but had to take a hiatus for injury (and work?) in his 50's/early 60's. By his record-setting seventies I imagine there weren't many of his old competitors around, he focused more on the clock and age-grading. I think his focus on age-grading was a healthy outlet for his competitive energies. I believe he was an engineer by trade and those types relish the power of numbers.
Earl Fee was around.
Is it weight gain? wrote:
Vaprfly wrote:
I admired the hell out of Kennedy as a young runner. He was a stud. Has nothing to prove now. The fact he's still lacing up shoes and finding enjoyment out of the sport is awesome. Would love to see the haters on here post their times in 30 years when they're his age.
I am not a hater at all. I just find it interesting that guys like Kennedy are the type who lap all the ordinary kids in the gym class mile with no training and then come back and are basically the equivalent of the guys who were lapped.
I have basically sustained my mediocre ability even with big gaps in training and wildly fluctuating training levels.
The ordinary kids that he lapped in high school are now 47 and fat. Most of them would make it about 400m @ 8:00/mile pace and then would have to walk the remaining 4.75 miles. That’s assuming they don’t have heart attacks.
fred wrote:
YMMV wrote:
If I recall correctly he was a very good track runner in his 40's including a world masters title at 1500) but had to take a hiatus for injury (and work?) in his 50's/early 60's. By his record-setting seventies I imagine there weren't many of his old competitors around, he focused more on the clock and age-grading. I think his focus on age-grading was a healthy outlet for his competitive energies. I believe he was an engineer by trade and those types relish the power of numbers.
Earl Fee was around.
Earl beating Ed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ChLuxtIo54foo wrote:
Is it weight gain? wrote:
I am not a hater at all. I just find it interesting that guys like Kennedy are the type who lap all the ordinary kids in the gym class mile with no training and then come back and are basically the equivalent of the guys who were lapped.
I have basically sustained my mediocre ability even with big gaps in training and wildly fluctuating training levels.
The ordinary kids that he lapped in high school are now 47 and fat. Most of them would make it about 400m @ 8:00/mile pace and then would have to walk the remaining 4.75 miles. That’s assuming they don’t have heart attacks.
Not me. I can still cruise at 6 minute pace for 10 miles.
otter wrote:
wareagle13 wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BbZq4dyjBiE/Oh how the mighty have fallen. Do you think Rupp would be this slow 10 years after retirement?
So what, he was running fast when nobody else from the US was. The guy was a beast. I'm glad he's enjoying getting out there now. He's got nothing to prove.
Bob's T-shirt indicates he eats all meals with a plastic fork.
Trautmann ran a 4:12 mile at 46. He may have beaten Bob at least once in his prime.