Flanagan vs. Trump: Shalane Flanagan gets huge opinion piece in NY Times that ends with comparison of her feminism vs. Trump's f

classy........... wrote:

Wbat a crap article. She does NOT "elevate other women" (see petty comments toward Hasay). Sorry - I've watched her for many years - and always found it difficult to be a "fan." This author was wearing particularly rose-colored glasses.

This is what makes Shalane so great. She does not blindly cheerlead women strictly based on gender. If she sees something wrong she is not afraid to call it out regardless of gender.

While I appreciate the article being written, it lessens Shalane's influence to just women. I think she is more than just a great female role model. I think she is a great role model for everyone.

ikerumba wrote:

I remember a race in Chicago some years ago when Kara Goucher beat all the men. Now that would have been a great opportunity for an article about girl power. What does Shalane winning a women's race have anything to do with feminism?

Instead of posting and asking a stupid question you could have read the article and posted a stupid reply.

I'm glad someone got around to pointing out that the "opinions" and "politics" of this NY times article are not in any way stated by Shalane and there's no indication she'd ever state such things publicly.

My favorite part of this is that the LetsRun guys consistently display gender bias on the homepage (including, in my opinion, the blurb about this article) but they can’t handle it when someone else does it. I don’t know why I continue to read this trash website.

wejo wrote:

And on this site I had to laugh when I saw 3 of the top 10 in the US are porn sites:

https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/united-states

Wejo, do you remember the security scare from like 2 years ago when the little green lock at the top of the screen next to the https was exposed? When tested Google, Yahoo and Facebook were vulnerable but the porn sites were secure. Ha! So counter logical.

Igy, I was thinking for a day about this article. Without realizing it, the writer accidentally falsified collectivist/socialist/Communist logic because the one reason all Flanagan's training partners succeeded was her (one individual). Not because of the state or collective feminism but one wise woman (and probably the coach).

The author also promotes "elevating" women while tearing one down. I found that ironic.

Any story or op-ed piece in a major paper that takes shots at Ivanka Trump is doing the right thing.

She's a clown and as much of an idiot and grifter as her more visibly retarded brothers and dad. She is not "the smart one" or "the ethical one," not even if you generously allow for her flawed genetics.

She, a person lucky enough to be born wealthy and whose crappy handbags never even had a *chance* to fail, wrote a book telling women how to succeed in business? This is like Ron Jeremy writing a book about how to have a big pecker to make it in porn.

Teller of Truths wrote:

The author also promotes "elevating" women while tearing one down. I found that ironic.

You find it ironic because you're not very bright.

Try this: If I say I love pro running while complaining about dopers, is that ironic in some way?

Or does it merely mean that rooting for a group of people as a whole does not require rooting for every single one of them, in particular the scumbags?

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Igy, I was thinking for a day about this article.

Next time, give it at least a week. You're not the fastest learner.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Without realizing it, the writer accidentally falsified collectivist/socialist/Communist logic because the one reason all Flanagan's training partners succeeded was her (one individual). Not because of the state or collective feminism but one wise woman (and probably the coach).

1. The author makes no such assertion.

2. There is nothing inherent in feminism that would forbid great leaps forward by women as a whole primarily as a result of the actions of a single person.

No one would claim that without Rosa Parks, improved race relations in the U.S. could never have happened. At the same time, no one could possibly say that her actions uniquely affected the arc of racism in this country.

Maybe you're just trying to be funny and failing, but you appear to be convinced that you really did pull a "Gotcha!" on the reporter. I don't want to bust your bubble, but every writer for the New York Times is many levels more intelligent than all but about two Letsrun regulars, and you are clearly not one of them.

Thanks for letting a little reality into the "bubble" of this thread populated by "snowflakes" who get "triggered" because someone has injected politics into their sports. What universe do these people live in where they think anyone can now have sports or culture without politics? Maybe they can commune with the hurt NFL fans who want just sports. The many Trump fans around here should recognize than when they voted for Trump they did more to inject politics into everything than any group of American voters in living history.

In addition, the sideswipes at feminism in many of the comments are pathetic, but I guess those posters also want just sports without having to be disturbed by any feminism.

MaynardMaster wrote:

Thanks for letting a little reality into the "bubble" of this thread populated by "snowflakes" who get "triggered" because someone has injected politics into their sports. What universe do these people live in where they think anyone can now have sports or culture without politics? Maybe they can commune with the hurt NFL fans who want just sports. The many Trump fans around here should recognize than when they voted for Trump they did more to inject politics into everything than any group of American voters in living history.

In addition, the sideswipes at feminism in many of the comments are pathetic, but I guess those posters also want just sports without having to be disturbed by any feminism.

Well said. I wonder how many of these wounded "Don't inject politics onto sports" douche-nozzles are just as adamant about Donald Trump focusing so much on the NFL when he has a million other more pressing things to do. (Yeah, Trump does this because anyone can complain about black athletes whereas actual governing is impossible for "differently abled" thinkers like Trump. But that's not the main issue here.)

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Igy, I was thinking for a day about this article. Without realizing it, the writer accidentally falsified collectivist/socialist/Communist logic because the one reason all Flanagan's training partners succeeded was her (one individual). Not because of the state or collective feminism but one wise woman (and probably the coach).

Much simpler answer, she is a good runner. She could be as dumb as a board as far as you know. Who cares about her political views or whether she is a feminist. Most feminists in my view make horrible mothers. Most macho men make horrible fathers. My view, so what?

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Igy, I was thinking for a day about this article. Without realizing it, the writer accidentally falsified collectivist/socialist/Communist logic because the one reason all Flanagan's training partners succeeded was her (one individual). Not because of the state or collective feminism but one wise woman (and probably the coach).

Much simpler answer, she is a good runner. She could be as dumb as a board as far as you know. Who cares about her political views or whether she is a feminist. Most feminists in my view make horrible mothers. Most macho men make horrible fathers. My view, so what?

So what's the harm in her speaking her mind? Is that such a big deal?

Long live the culture wars, baby!

And Go Shalane!

Did someone speak their mind at NYCM? I don't remember that. I watched the Rio Olympics and saw a political statement. It was highly praised.

I didn't see any statement at the NYCM by the participants.

adfasdfsadfasdfdsf wrote:

But the whole premise was stupid. Flanagan classlessly attacked Hasay after Chicago. She went years with ignoring Kara after her split with Nike. It's not like she was the model of lifting up others.

She was a selfish runner. And you have to be selfish to be good

You're right. Good points all the way around.

agreed.. wrote:

adfasdfsadfasdfdsf wrote:

But the whole premise was stupid. Flanagan classlessly attacked Hasay after Chicago. She went years with ignoring Kara after her split with Nike. It's not like she was the model of lifting up others.

She was a selfish runner. And you have to be selfish to be good

You're right. Good points all the way around.

I noticed these bad things about Shalane also.

You don't need to be like Shalane to win