Kvothe wrote:
6 state meet races is kind of ridiculous.
6 divisions is excessive and silly. Virginia really ought to return to 3.
Anyway, Loudoun is really good and would have done very well no matter how you split the divisions.
Kvothe wrote:
6 state meet races is kind of ridiculous.
6 divisions is excessive and silly. Virginia really ought to return to 3.
Anyway, Loudoun is really good and would have done very well no matter how you split the divisions.
Are you saying Loudoun Valley is so bad they shouldn't even QUALIFY for NXN based on all the amazing California teams who can put 7 guys under 16 minutes for 5K ? I'm confused...they are so bad they shouldn't even make it, yet they are ranked either 1st or 2nd in the nation? Are the people doing the rankings crazy, uninformed, biased, paid off, or what?
Just checked a few of the recent California results as well as season bests for Great Oak, your number 1 team. While I won't pretend to understand how your state structures your post-season competition, I will say I notice that most of the races appear to be 3 mile races, not 5K. Definitely not finding a bunch of teams with guys under 16 mins for 5K, though I am sure there are plenty with 7 guys under 16 for 3 miles. In fact, Great Oak appears to only have 6 guys under 16 mins for 5K this season, yet looking at their 3 mile times, they would certainly have more who could run under 16 on the courses they race. Which again, appear to be mostly hard packed dirt road races. Maybe looking at speed ratings would be a more effective comparison.
Wish I'd got edjumacated in Fairfax, not Purcellville, VA wrote:
psycho nutcase babbling
You have mental problems.
Tungsten Man wrote:
Does Tinman coach all these kids too?
Nope.
Kvothe wrote:
6 state meet races is kind of ridiculous.
I thought so as well, but Virginia has a population of over 8 million people.
I have no interest in the LV team, but please don’t act shocked when you see kids move from one school to another for a team. In the DC area, kids are recruited by schools for every sport, and also non-sports. My oldest son graduated from DeMATHA last year, and while he was not athletic, DeMatha also has one of the best music programs in the country, and they recruit kids who are promising in grade school.
The DC metro area is also a hotbed for swimming - probably best clubs in the US. Both Michael Phelps and Katie Ledecky came up through this system.
I don’t know anyone from LV but congrats to them for their performance.
I believe that Tinman doesn't directly coach, but does "advise." Tinman please correct me if I'm wrong!
Clearly his training is working. Take out any transfers, they have a deep, healthy roster.
Check out the population of, and number of schools in Florida. Four classes--two teams on the podium.
No separation of public and private--no "independent" schools league.
Bill Braskey wrote:
I think he's referring to the fact that sweeping something means winning both boys and girls, not going 1-5. We call that perfect scoring.
MileSplit US's twitter posting on Nov 11 says:
#ICYMI Loudoun Valley swept the Virginia State XC Championships with a perfect score
So Loudoun Valley's sweep also gave Loudoun Valley a perfect score.
Milton Mohawks(hope they're still rocking those) has from what I've seen consistently had had 6 sub 16 5k runners, they can take LV at nxn south or southeast whichever it's called
Also it's annoying when people like California kids all hyped up about 3-mile times, run a damn 5k
Gotta bee wrote:
Milton Mohawks(hope they're still rocking those) has from what I've seen consistently had had 6 sub 16 5k runners, they can take LV at nxn south or southeast whichever it's called
Also it's annoying when people like California kids all hyped up about 3-mile times, run a damn 5k
They have had 6 guys under 16 this year, Valley has 7. The Milton boys are definitely not all sub 16 on a consistent basis, though their top 2 usually are. They had 4 runners over 17 minutes at their state meet! Some of the Milton boys barely broke 16 however, on very fast courses, if the XC course rating tables are close to accurate, whereas the Valley boys did it on harder rated courses (though one of their meets lines up nicely in difficulty with one of the Milton meets). Regardless, it will be great competition for these guys to get to race at the Nike Southeast meet.
Totally agree about the California 3 mile races and people acting like 3mile times=5K times. Or whatever they think.
There were 3 divisions in VA when I was in HS. It was tough to be at a HS with 1300 students in 3A competing against NoVA schools with 4000+. But I still think it waters down the competition to have that many divisions.
Regardless, it is clear that LV is a very good team.
The State Meet was held at Charlottesville, Albemarle Community College when I was in HS and changed almost immediately after I graduated. They had to because a housing subdivision was built on the course. Keeping a course for historical purposes is not a valid reason. Courses should be centrally located and accessible (current meet is not) spectator friendly (current meet is not) and they should be actual cross country.
I now live in CA and am often amazed by how fast kids here are. It is a product of having nearly 40 Million people in one state. The Bell curve is much bigger and the top extremes are faster and deeper than many other states. That does not mean they have a monopoly on fast runners. I also find that very few seem to "go the distance" by continuing to compete well in college or beyond. They have to train at a very high level in HS just to compete well and there is less room for improvement later. Also less joy in very intense training in HS. I agree about 3mi vs 5k and nearly ideal conditions all the time for racing including hard packed race tracks for CC. They are not the same but CA kids are sure they are.
Anybody remember when Louden Swain went on a vision quest to win the state meet? That was cool.
Yes speaking of rain many states have watered down results. South Dakota has 5 (Yes FIVE) classes.
Florida has always had a bunch too.
GrewUpInVA wrote:
The State Meet was held at Charlottesville, Albemarle Community College when I was in HS and changed almost immediately after I graduated.
Piedmont Community College
ive been paying more attention to GA this year, and I understand why youre under the delusion of other people who don't pay attention since I didn't as well. the GA state meet course is long and very hilly, the course record set this year by Jacob McLeod is 15:51, the course runs a good minute slow especially the slower the runner gets
also Milton this year 4 runners under 16 three times, 5 runners under 16 two
they ran at a course where no runner had broke 17 before this year their top 2 ran under 16:20 and they had another 2-3 guys under 17 twice
corrections 4 under 16 four times
also at state they beat the defending state champs in 7A by 138 points with their 3&5 running their worst races of the year
The what you say? wrote:
Agree with you on the course comparison. People dont know what other courses are like. CA does have some tough ones. Their state meet isn’t crazy fast either as you can compare past FL West times to GO of this era.
That said I don’t think 15:55 for a 5th man on a slow course, let alone a fast one, is good enough to make nationals let alone win.
We have a team in our league that had 7 guys under 15:40 and an 8th JV guy under 16 but could be third at state and 4th-6th in the merge. With only 2 going to NXN That’s tough. So either CA needs more autos or the regions are weak. I don’t think they are thus I’m wondering how better teams stay him when LV will make it?
Its happened before - CBA won NXN while their 4th/5th men were above 16 mins on the NJ state course - which is pretty close to VA's and also finished 2nd and 4th without having 5 guys capable of breaking 16 on Holmdel. FM has done the same on the NY state course. FM girls are always much slower then CA teams going into nationals and it does not seem to hurt them much. Having big meets on slow courses is a big advantage for teams at NXN as that course is slow. Runners can react poorly to unfamiliar conditions making it very tough to get 5 runners to have good days - which is what you need to place well at NXN.
Florida--3rd most populous state---FOUR classes---two on podium.