Notre Dame

We are talking about an 11:01 walk on that has already been admitted to the school.

Please list all of the Schools in the Midwest/Great Lakes Regions that would not allow this walk on. I will then do some research to see if you know what you're talking about.

Why would I waste more time than I already have explaining to a completely ignorant fool more about recruiting? Keep doing all your research. It's not getting you any closer to understanding power 5 recruiting.

THANK YOU.

You proved my point. ZERO other than ND and they are a long way from being one of the top teams in the country. Not even a top team in the Region.

For the record University of Michigan has the 2nd best recruiting class in the Country for this year. They will still allow 11 minute walk ons.

But I'm sure you have a better handle on things.

Pretty clear you were posting both as D1 coach and some other random D1 coach.

under a bridge wrote:

Pretty clear you were posting both as D1 coach and some other random D1 coach.

And probably part of the ND staff. You nailed it.

I knew when he said he wouldn't name his school so I asked for a list in the region and he wanted no part of that either.

Actually no, I am not the person posting as d1 coach. Nice try though. I don't know or care about what walk on standards ND has. I just find it strange that you care so much and how far you are from understanding the recruiting game. I personally will allow 11:01 girls on my team but if I was able to get a roster full of sub 10:40-10:50 girls then I would not. What part of that do you not understand?

If you think that there is no cost to having walk ons then that further shows your complete ignorance. The probability of an 11:00 girl getting injured is higher while trying to train with all the 10:30 girls. They end up clogging up the training room, using the athletic dept tutors, taking equipment, then complaining if the coach doesn't give them enough of his or her time. Then daddy whines about it all on letsrun. No thank you. Not worth it if you are getting higher quality athletes.

D1 Coach pretty much nails it. Sparks is a good coach. Carlson is a good recruiter and has the potential to be a good coach. Turner is the problem. Plain and simple.

When he took over I thought they'd at least excel in Sprints, but they haven't.

I take issue with the comment that the men's team lacks commitment. They've had a bunch of injuries. The guys that have stayed healthy have shown good development. They just lost 2+ years in recruiting blue chippers when Piane left and Turner took over. Then Sparks moved to focusing on the Women's team and Carlson took over for Men's distance.

It'll be two years before we see how this strong Men's recruiting class pans out. My guess is that they'll be challenging VA Tech, NC State and UVA for 2nd place at ACCs (behind 'Cuse) and potentially qualifying for Nats.

Regarding the 11:00 girl who couldn't walk on, I'd say that's pretty common in P5 conferences. You'd have to understand the context before you pass judgement. Glad to see that she developed into a strong contributor in a D1 program. Good for her.

(BTW, I don't run for ND. I just know a few of the guys on the team pretty well.)

You can't deny quality kids and then get upset when your depth sucks. Sparks continually does this. Rohrer gets hurt and the season is over. The Men's team is building depth and should be a force in a couple years. The women will always be one injury away from mediocre. This same thread could be pulled up every few years and that is sad.

Blame where it is due wrote:

You can't deny quality kids and then get upset when your depth sucks. Sparks continually does this. Rohrer gets hurt and the season is over. The Men's team is building depth and should be a force in a couple years. The women will always be one injury away from mediocre. This same thread could be pulled up every few years and that is sad.

But Sparks has only been there for three years. And I mean I'm all for bumping this thread in three years & six years if it keeps happening. I betcha Sparks would be the first to admit he wished he had that kid now (And he's probably reminding Turner of the same)...but he doesn't wish he had the other 10 11:01 kids he turned way that have gained 15 lbs. & 15s on to their high school PR's who are now partying away on BIG scholarships at mid-major nowhere U...and there's no way to know which kid is going to do that. Sure you can vet them more thoroughly to have a better idea...but why bother with the remaining few precious hours a week you do have with your family when you have 15 other 10:30 women to evaluate & prioritize. And yes, 10:30 women are a dime a dozen to P5's. Would the original butt-hurt dad rather they had taken his daughter, gotten her hurt by trying to train with the more talented women from the get-go, spent her whole first year in the training room & then been cut than had the opportunity to excel at the other school where she got more attention & the environment was much more conducive to her overall long-term growth? We see walk-on kids ALL THE TIME on our rosters that would have excelled more in a less intense environment. And it's not our job to bother individualizing things for an 11:01 kid. If that kid can keep up...great. If not, forget'em. So Matt - if you're reading this - please take this thread as this dad's sincere "Thank you" that his little princess found herself in an environment better suited for her long-term development. And to the brother of Butt-Hurt Dad, I feel bad for his kid that her dad is controlling which academically elite programs he'll let her talk to. But I guess that's good for me because I'll probably get her.

Folks I dont think this thread is about a dad and a kid but rather an amazing school and historic program that has taken an unfortunate turn and will continue to suffer from lack of depth if they don't revert back to the practices under Joe. You can't rely on just buying a few superstars cuz kids get hurt. You need balance. A few top tier, a few developmental and a few walk ons. Any coach can handle a roster of 20 (Mr. Dreadful D1 coach) and any head coach that wont give him/her the resources build it is......a sprinter.

The thing that people do not understand is that when a Notre Dame coach is recruiting, they CANNOT just prioritize times. Obviously, performance is one of the main components, but unlike many of the previously mentioned colleges, Notre Dame also struggles with being one of the top schools in the country. Students have to balance a rigorous school schedule and running schedule on a daily basis. It takes a special type of individual to maintain that balance. Because of experiences prior, this is understood, and the coaches are learning that even though people can run fast, does not mean they are the right personality for the team.

I am sure Notre Dame has excellent academics, but I doubt the student-athlete balance is any more rigorous than lots of top universities throughout the nation.

harwich9 wrote:

I am sure Notre Dame has excellent academics, but I doubt the student-athlete balance is any more rigorous than lots of top universities throughout the nation.

Correct. A more prestigious school does not necessarily have harder classes in equivalent majors. Sometimes, the opposite is true.

Similar experience with a son. 4:11 and 35 ACT. Coach told son to contact him if he got accepted. Sounded like we were wasting their time. Other higher ranked programs were very interested so he ended up at another highly selective with the coach’s help. No athletic aid though but at least some interest. Seems like ND coaches were kind of lazy in their recruiting until this year.

They need that wonderful "D1 Coach" on their staff and they will be top 3 at nationals in a year....don't you think?

Welcome to "big time" college sports, headed by coaches who stink as human beings.

Notre Dame probably has the best xc recruiting class in the country. I wonder if it was due to anything that they did or if everything just fell in their lap. I have a son who is a senior. I spoke to the head coach at a meet who I get is not the distance coach but he wanted my son’s name. My son emailed, called, and texted but they did not even respond. Hoping he hits 4:10 this year and almost a perfect SAT but he disappointingly won’t be going to Notre Dame. I guess they will be in good shape for a few years but it seems crazy that they wouldn’t want additional fast kids to supplement the few studs that signed.

Hoping to run 4:10. What has he run to date in the open mile...

Sounds like something someone who went to a random state school would say. Anyways, similarly prestigious universities and school ranked in the top 20 generally have to fight for the same kids. It is not a coincidence that many top 20 schools struggle athletically.

This thread is now relevant again since the Turner is gone. Hopefully recruiting will be revamped with the new head coach, as like those above have mentioned I know many kids with decent marks have had similar experiences with the head coach not responding. They wanted the best recruits or nothing, which led to mediocre years in recruiting and not enough depth. Solid recruiting class this year though for both mens and womens distance. Also chew on this: head coach was a sprinter and the last recruited male sprinter graduated last year, the rest are true walk ons/ football player/and jumper converts.

biased but wise wrote:

Sounds like something someone who went to a random state school would say. Anyways, similarly prestigious universities and school ranked in the top 20 generally have to fight for the same kids. It is not a coincidence that many top 20 schools struggle athletically.

This thread is now relevant again since the Turner is gone. Hopefully recruiting will be revamped with the new head coach, as like those above have mentioned I know many kids with decent marks have had similar experiences with the head coach not responding. They wanted the best recruits or nothing, which led to mediocre years in recruiting and not enough depth. Solid recruiting class this year though for both mens and womens distance. Also chew on this: head coach was a sprinter and the last recruited male sprinter graduated last year, the rest are true walk ons/ football player/and jumper converts.

Wasn't the women's team a top 10 team in 15' and 16' in cross and top 5 in track & field. Seems like the previous head coach knew something. The problem with the cross team and distance runners, most of the team, is the tons of injuries. The blame is on the distance coaches and trainers. 20 plus distance runners per gender is plenty to field a cross team. Hopefully with the great men's distance class they can do more in 2018-19.