That's three very consistent results in less than ideal conditions. Better than Jerry's boys in Chicago.
That's a huge PR for Scott Smith at age 31, too. 2:14:40 to to 2:12:25.
Big props to Ben.
That's three very consistent results in less than ideal conditions. Better than Jerry's boys in Chicago.
That's a huge PR for Scott Smith at age 31, too. 2:14:40 to to 2:12:25.
Big props to Ben.
phlagstaph wrote:
That's three very consistent results in less than ideal conditions. Better than Jerry's boys in Chicago.
That's a huge PR for Scott Smith at age 31, too. 2:14:40 to to 2:12:25.
Big props to Ben.
You can't just compare times.
Derrick led the race at like 30k and finished 3:30 behind the winner. The fact that he ran slightly slower - 2:12:50 - men's little to me. Derrick > Smith by a long shot.
Now the NAZ guys may be better than Bumby.
I agree you can't just compare times, but you should also take into account past results/expectations.
Derrick is one of the US premier distance runners since college, so I'd say his 2:12 high (shoutout to the "what Running terms do you hate" thread) is less impressive than Scott Smith's. Combine that with Smith's faster time and Bumbi disappointing and I'd say the NAZ men were more impressive than the BTC men.
Also, looking at how far behind the winner you are is not an entirely fair measure.
FLAgstafian wrote:
I agree you can't just compare times, but you should also take into account past results/expectations.
Derrick is one of the US premier distance runners since college, so I'd say his 2:12 high (shoutout to the "what Running terms do you hate" thread) is less impressive than Scott Smith's. Combine that with Smith's faster time and Bumbi disappointing and I'd say the NAZ men were more impressive than the BTC men.
Also, looking at how far behind the winner you are is not an entirely fair measure.
I'm all for NAZ Elite but it's hard to compare times. Chicago was more tactical and run in warm weather. Today was a chance to lock into MP from the start and hang on. Like the other poster said, Derrick made a hard move later into the race when the NAZ crew likely wouldn't have been there.
I think it's fair to say someone like Chris Derrick should have had higher expectations going into a marathon than he did, granted the weather played a role as well as the slow start. He should be going for sub-2:10 and be able to do something like Dewi did today.
Chicago was not a tactical race if you are trying to run 2:10-2:12. There was a massive pack running exactly that pace til halfway and even further. How would the NAZ guys not have been there?? They went out in over 65 minutes in Chicago, that is perfect for anyone trying to run 2:10-2:13!! The fact that the winner was slow and hammmered the last 10k doesn't take away from the fact that it was the perfect place to run that time.
It was hot in Chicago but it was windy in Frankfurt, so your guess is as good as mine in terms of weather affecting the race.
former d1 coach wrote:
Derrick led the race at like 30k and finished 3:30 behind the winner. The fact that he ran slightly slower - 2:12:50 - men's little to me. Derrick > Smith by a long shot.
He led the race which was moving at a much slower pace. Everyone knew he was enjoying his moment in front and would get owned in the last 10k. He finished in a slower time in better conditions.
Yeah that was a laughable comment. Derrick did not go into Chicago thinking he was going to contend for the win or podium even. He had a great group to run with.
phlagstaph wrote:
That's three very consistent results in less than ideal conditions. Better than Jerry's boys in Chicago.
That's a huge PR for Scott Smith at age 31, too. 2:14:40 to to 2:12:25.
Big props to Ben.
Scott Smith had a great day. Top American with Honors!
phlagstaph wrote:
That's three very consistent results in less than ideal conditions. Better than Jerry's boys in Chicago.
That's a huge PR for Scott Smith at age 31, too. 2:14:40 to to 2:12:25.
Big props to Ben.
Perhaps they should change the name from NAZ Elite to NAZ SOLID in the interest of accuracy.
phlagstaph wrote:
That's three very consistent results in less than ideal conditions. Better than Jerry's boys in Chicago.
That's a huge PR for Scott Smith at age 31, too. 2:14:40 to to 2:12:25.
Big props to Ben.
How far have we fallen to think by any shred of immagination that 2:12 is something special in the world of marathoning. The NAZ elite are an over funded group of national class runners and thats it.
They are not world class. ( Wait until years end to see how their rimes rank globally)
I ran the Frankfurt marathon as well yesterday and I can tell you, it was very windy out there. Agreed that you can't just compare times with Chicago but 2:12 for those guys given the conditions was definitely a very strong showing.
Here are some current marathon runners who live and train in Flagstaff, Arizona:
1) Diego Estrada: 2:13:56
2) Aaron Braun: 2:12:54
3) Scott Fauble: 2:12:35
4) Matt Llano: 2:12:28
5) Scott Smith: 2:12:21
6) Jordan Chipangama: 2:11:35
7) Nick Arciniaga: 2:11:30
8) Abdi Abdirahman (not a full time resident): 2:08:56
9) Feyisa Lilesa: 2:04:52
Ask rojo and wejo to list all the current marathon runners from the entire state of Maryland...and the entire state of Texas... with sub-2:14 marathon PRs.
Thanks a lot.
ha ha ha
Dig it big boy.
phlagstaph wrote:
That's three very consistent results in less than ideal conditions. Better than Jerry's boys in Chicago.
That's a huge PR for Scott Smith at age 31, too. 2:14:40 to to 2:12:25.
Big props to Ben.
Professional team NAZ Elite’s showing was less impressive than Amateur team GBTC was nearly 35-40 years ago at a bigger marathon - Boston.
We need to ask ourselves, why are we no faster as a country 40 years later, even with all the advantages of professional teams and altitude training and other resources.
Squires is 100x > than Rosario
15 years ago American posters complained about our lack of ANY competitive distance runners at the world level. It is progress that this complaint is now limited to the marathon (despite having an Olympic medalist and WMM winner).
FLAgstafian wrote:
I agree you can't just compare times, but you should also take into account past results/expectations.
Derrick is one of the US premier distance runners since college, so I'd say his 2:12 high (shoutout to the "what Running terms do you hate" thread) is less impressive than Scott Smith's. Combine that with Smith's faster time and Bumbi disappointing and I'd say the NAZ men were more impressive than the BTC men.
Also, looking at how far behind the winner you are is not an entirely fair measure.
Don't forget NAZ's Aaron Braun was the de facto 2:12 pacer at Chicago through halfway and finished between Derrick and Bumbi.
