Speaking of age group doping, is this guy on the juice?

I was a 1-AA running back way back in the early 70's. 5-11, 185. Looked about the same as this guy. After 6 months of running, I was a bit less ripped. After 1 year, I joined the ranks of "skinny" runner. So, I say it's possible early on to still be ripped but after that all bets are off unless he is the anomaly with an incredible genetic aerobic engine while able to maintain a serious weight-lifting program.

Say what? Were you even training very often when you ran 40 mins? Did you double your mileage, incorporate speedwork, lose weight, quit drinking? 🤔

Poor guy, he had the worst possible time for a 10k--40:00 flat.

But we all know the truth. Look at his last name, he isn't running the whole course!!!

RI red wrote:

I was a 1-AA running back way back in the early 70's. 5-11, 185. Looked about the same as this guy. After 6 months of running, I was a bit less ripped. After 1 year, I joined the ranks of "skinny" runner. So, I say it's possible early on to still be ripped but after that all bets are off unless he is the anomaly with an incredible genetic aerobic engine while able to maintain a serious weight-lifting program.

Did you quit lifting or something? I also played football (DB) at a 1-AA school in the early 80s at a stocky 5-7, 175. I started distance running after college but never stopped lifiting. Kept the size but was never that fast (6:15 5k pace, , 6:35 10k pace, one sub-4 hr marathon). I was just too stocky (poor running economy) to get any faster particularly at longer distances. Now in my mid-50s, I'm still 175 and lift, but a lot of muscle has been replaced by fat and I'm as slow as molasses. 😅 So, when I see some stocky, muscular runners, particularly middle-agers, run fast times at the longer distances, it's either alien genetics or something else is going on.

Typical LR horsesh!t.

He has better times than me, he must be doping. Ever heard of hard work you mental midget?

Truth!

Skinnyfat slow guy wrote:

hegellian wrote:

Agreed. Have seen him on IG. He works hard. And I'm guessing he's got a good amount of talent.

Actually he seems like a nice guy.

Shut up, he's faster and more ripped then us - he's doping and a douche!

Juicebox in Siberia wrote:

He took 5 minutes off his 10k time within 2 years. Easy to do if you're running 60 minute 10ks, harder when going from 40 to 35 minutes.

https://www.athlinks.com/athletes/247724111/results

I can't tell if he is doping (by looking at him) and that isn't fair to attack him like that. How would you feel if someone posted your picture and accused you based on the fact that you are "big"?

I will say that a 40 min 10K is no great shakes. I ran one at the beginning of 7th grade after running for just 1.5 years, then I improved by June to 37:XX. I was not doping and I was only 13. By 9th grade I was running 35:XX and again I was not doping. That is 5 min and two years. Be more careful about slandering someone.

Also, just because you can't run 2:39 doesn't mean it is "a bridge too far". I ran 2:35 in 11th grade in my second marathon (one in 7th grade). Think about the fact that he is 36:00 off the WR. In percentage terms, this is like a 5:05 mile. Is that so amazing?

Realize that an American woman who probably could do a 4:20-23 mile under the best of circumstances just ran 2:21 ... he is 18:00 slower ... or :41 per mile. Think about that ... 41 seconds per mile. Every mile down she would pull away form him by 41 seconds more.

A 2:39 at 28 is not so good. When I was young, younger than that, my friends and I all ran 2:17-2:23 for the fast among us.

You have a long winded way of saying nothing. "Think about the fact that a 4 hour marathoner could also be doping. Objective times are irrelevant. Think about it...just think about it. Think about that fact."

Sheesh. BTW, nobody's flat out accusing him of doping. That's why doping mostly raises suspicion instead of penalties, because it's difficult to prove. He's got a very public profile, he can take some heat. He doesn't need a neurotic SJW with a crush to come to his defense with strawman arguments.

Caller of cards wrote:

Typical LR horsesh!t.

He has better times than me, he must be doping. Ever heard of hard work you mental midget?

Isn’t that Lance Armstrong used to say when he chewed out the skeptics who suspected him of doping?

The stalkers are out wrote:

But we all know the truth. Look at his last name, he isn't running the whole course!!!

Well would you look at that! Distracting letsrun sleuthers with his ripped body, when his tactic was to cut courses the whole time. We're onto you, Mr Cutter, middle name Course.

Everyone's looking for an edge wrote:

Caller of cards wrote:

Typical LR horsesh!t.

He has better times than me, he must be doping. Ever heard of hard work you mental midget?

Isn’t that Lance Armstrong used to say when he chewed out the skeptics who suspected him of doping?

Straight from the playbook, bro. Buy it on amazon.

I am stunned he doesn't have a lot of tattoos.

Dear BF wrote:

You have a long winded way of saying nothing. "Think about the fact that a 4 hour marathoner could also be doping. Objective times are irrelevant. Think about it...just think about it. Think about that fact."

Sheesh. BTW, nobody's flat out accusing him of doping. That's why doping mostly raises suspicion instead of penalties, because it's difficult to prove. He's got a very public profile, he can take some heat. He doesn't need a neurotic SJW with a crush to come to his defense with strawman arguments.

Here is a more succinct way of putting it: 2:39 is not good enough for someone in their prime for you turds to ponder whether he is doping. 180 lbs or not.

He doesn't look like it, but that's generally unreliable.

We had a guy on our college team who was originally recruited for football (and looked like it) and ran around 26 minutes for 8K on a XC course. He was an 800m runner and ran 1:49 eventually. After several years of running he'd lost a bit of mass but was still huge for a distance runner. Some of that mass was definitely functional.

gdffdsdagsdf wrote:

We had a guy on our college team who was originally recruited for football (and looked like it) and ran around 26 minutes for 8K on a XC course. He was an 800m runner and ran 1:49 eventually. After several years of running he'd lost a bit of mass but was still huge for a distance runner. Some of that mass was definitely functional.

Yeah, I've seen bigger fast guys as well. I'm not actually convinced that he's on the juice despite creating this thread.

He's fast progress was more of an alert than his size (more precisely, that + his size). I'd be more inclined to think he was a juice box consumer if he was in his 40's and had a similar size and times.

Sad, very very sad thread, hope this dude doesn't read letsrun

Why on earth would this guy be doping just to run a 2:39? What's up with the calf sleeves? Why not just go the full compression socks?

Yeah, that's why the OTs are an open race and the allow all those 7,000 to 10,000 runners who can go under 2:23!