I find it hard to believe that my post is hard to believe.
See below for proof
--> My training calendar for 2017 cuz yes, that's when I started...
--> Close up of my high mileage weeks
I find it hard to believe that my post is hard to believe.
See below for proof
--> My training calendar for 2017 cuz yes, that's when I started...
--> Close up of my high mileage weeks
Oops, here is the mileage per month
You don't need to taper that much that far out, but whatever. The hay is still in the barn.
Spend the few dollars to get the exact same shoes even if it means using eBay or some other online site. Run on them a couple of times. Move on.
Guys, stop feeding the troll. It's not even a funny one.
He claims to aim for 8min/mile MP yet averages sub 7min/mile in training.
I mean, to be honest, I already found it hard to believe anybody would run 80mpw to finish a marathon in 3h30. Sounds crazy.
Where did you come up with that? Look at the time he spent running in comparison to the distance. No way is that sub 7
sry my bad, I apologize for miscalculating and baseless accusations, it indeed matches up.
MEL Rnr wrote:
It's not the shoes. If this is a real post, then I think it's two issues.
1. You are freaking out, which is typically of 1st timers in the weeks before your race. Little things will seem like bigger issues and throw you into a panic.
2. You did too much too soon and now it has caught up to you. Running 80mpw when you just started in March is a lot.
Relax. Run in your old trusted shoes that have works up to now. Go easy the last two weeks and rest up. Easy miles only. You will feel twinges and odd feelings in muscles here and there, it's normal. Let yoirself recover and recharge for the race.
this. relax. you'll be fine.
A very poor effort. You seem to have run out of ideas.
Smoove wrote:
I agree with everyone else, it is a combination of nerves and heavy training taking its toll. But well run marathons are the result of heavy training that push you to your limit and stretch you, but don't break you. And the taper is what helps you snap back into shape after being stretched.
It is not at all unusual to feel this way at the end of a training cycle. In my best marathon, I basically had to abandon most of my workouts (and had to scale back the ones that I got in) during the last 3 weeks because I had really pushed myself to my limits. I still had a great day because, as they say, the hay was in the barn. Fortunately, I was an experienced enough runner to know that, but it still left me a bit anxious over those last three weeks.
Go back to your old trainers (preferably a new pair of the same model)and don't worry about the insubstantiality. They were substantial enough to get you through 80+ mile weeks, they will be substantial enough to get you through the taper.
Take it easy on the workouts during this last stretch. Let the workouts come to you. Go out for lots of easy distance days, and when you come across a day where you feel good and are getting a nice rhythm, turn it into a progression run. Do some shorter cruise intervals with a little extra rest just to keep some turnover. At this point, the workouts are doing very little, if anything, to impact your marathon. Your marathon outcome was determined by and large by what you did over the last three months, not what you will do the last three weeks.
Your only job over this stretch is to do just enough to maintain your fitness, do just a few workouts to help you feel crisp and confident, and to get your head on right.
The work has been done. Stop freaking out. Know that you have done what you were supposed to do. Control the last few things you can control: diet, sleep, etc.
Good luck.
Awesome. Wish I saw more posts like that on LRC.
scaredaf wrote:
Thanks for the comment but it doesn't make sense.
Running a 3h50 pace for 20 miles means I would have to run the 10k at 7:04 which is above my LT...
What doesn't make sense besides your math. A 3:50 - 4 hr pace for a marathon is around 8:50 - 9:00 minute miles. 7:00 minute miles gets you closer to a 3 hour marathon Go out at 8:50/mile for 16-20 and if you feel good then go down to 8:00 minute miles for the last 6 or so. Regardless of the miles you put in your 5k doesn't suggest being able to maintain 8:00 minute miles for an entire marathon (which would get you 3:30) and going out too fast makes it tougher than it already is. Then you can make adjustments for your next run.
above_average_joe wrote:
Guys, stop feeding the troll. It's not even a funny one.
He claims to aim for 8min/mile MP yet averages sub 7min/mile in training.
I mean, to be honest, I already found it hard to believe anybody would run 80mpw to finish a marathon in 3h30. Sounds crazy.
While you were off on OPs pace, I still agree with 80mpw does not match up with 3h30 marathon. He should be able to run significantly faster in the marathon and 5K than he did. OP did not indicate age/weight/height would may help us.
I ran my first marathon last year in about 3:25 (70 some degrees) followed by 3:10 (40 to 50s), 3:10s 2017 Boston, and 3:20-something 2017 Chicago all on 35 to 60 miles a week with most weeks 40 to 50 miles over a 13 week period of training. My 5 mile training run pace is 7:30 to 7:50 and my 8 to 12 mile pace is around 7:50 per mile. My 5K time is in the 19s. I am in my early 50s. OP should have no problem going well under 3:30 based on his training paces and mileage.
I agree he should buy the same model shoe she has been training in and try to get same version of the shoe. We should all plan what shoe with low mileage we plan to run in a marathon that is the same as one of our shoes we have in rotation while training. I have trouble finding shoes with a toe box that fits so when I do find one that I like I will buy 2 to 5 pairs when they are discounted by 30 to 40% off. The next version of the shoe may not fit the same so I like to buy the discounted version when I can.
There's nothing but LOLgic on this board
The other poster told him to pace himself for a 3h50 marathon for the first 20 miles and then run the last 6 miles at 8 min/mile and claimed that it would allow him to finish in 3h30.
If you do the math, a 3h50 marathon is a 8:46 min/mile pace. If he runs that pace for the first 20 miles he would cover that distance in 2h55 minutes. Then, if he speeds up to 8 min/mile for the last 6.2 miles you tack on another 49:42 minutes = 3 h 43 minutes.
If a constant 8 min/mile pace is required to reach 3h30 over 26 miles, how in the hell does going SLOWER for the first 20 miles AND THEN going at the right pace for the last 6 miles equate to a 3h30?
The OP fudged his calculation but atleast he made more sense - in that he would have to run WAY faster in the last 10k-
First 20 miles in 2h55 minutes, he would need to run the last 10k in 35 minutes (5:38 min/mile pace) to get to 3h30
troll? wrote:
There's nothing but LOLgic on this board
The other poster told him to pace himself for a 3h50 marathon for the first 20 miles and then run the last 6 miles at 8 min/mile and claimed that it would allow him to finish in 3h30.
If you do the math, a 3h50 marathon is a 8:46 min/mile pace. If he runs that pace for the first 20 miles he would cover that distance in 2h55 minutes. Then, if he speeds up to 8 min/mile for the last 6.2 miles you tack on another 49:42 minutes = 3 h 43 minutes.
If a constant 8 min/mile pace is required to reach 3h30 over 26 miles, how in the hell does going SLOWER for the first 20 miles AND THEN going at the right pace for the last 6 miles equate to a 3h30?
The OP fudged his calculation but atleast he made more sense - in that he would have to run WAY faster in the last 10k-
First 20 miles in 2h55 minutes, he would need to run the last 10k in 35 minutes (5:38 min/mile pace) to get to 3h30
you are still misunderstanding what the poster meant. he said start with 3h50 pace. then go down to 8min/mile pace (or 3h30 pace) in the last miles if feasible. he did not say that would yield a 3h30 total. he said that if that works, the OP can try to run 8min/mile pace for the full distance in his next marathon, which would then yield a 3h30.
Dude...if your training is to be believed after this race ditch the marathon. There is no reason to be dedicating so much time to end up running so damned slow. Take a short break after this and work on your speed. I don't understand the fascination with running a slow marathon. I was a former fatty about three years ago and started running. Low mileage maybe 10-20 per week. Last year I hit 30 miles in a week only a handful of times. Since June I've been building up and now run between 40-50 consistently. And this is coming to running late and very out of shape and not particularly athletic in my youth. I was well over 200 pounds. Still bigger for a runner in my opinion but I feel good. If I get to 80mpw I definitely better be running under 2:50 or why the hell am I training so much for
as God is my witness I ran 3:25 on 32 miles a week x 10 weeks.
justaguy999 wrote:
as God is my witness I ran 3:25 on 32 miles a week x 10 weeks.
Not surprising for a healthy person with a modest amount of innate talent. That's barely under 8 minutes per mile. On the other hand, there are many folks who train seriously for years and never break 3:30. There is really a huge range of natural capabilities. Last year, running just two or three days a week for a few months (averaging less than 20 miles per week), I ran 3:25 pretty easily (at age 57). With better training this year (still less than 40 mpw), I ran 3:07. It's not fair, but I'm sure there were many folks behind me who trained a heckuva lot more.
I think what's happened is you've somehow hurt your vagina by wearing new shoes
Guys, I ran a 5h18 marathon. My legs were shot after the first mile and couldn't hold anything faster than a 12 min/mile.
A hypothesis I now have is that in retrospectI had a hemmrhoid flare-up 2 weeks ago (right around the time when I started feeling rly bad) and didn't think it was an issue until I later read that iron-deficiency was a thing among runners
I lost quite a bit of blood each time I passed a stool and so I guess the effect compounded itself and left me with extremely weak legs on race day.
I have to say, in retrospect I give this thread a 9/10. I'd go higher but a few people called it early on.
I'm seriously wondering if there is anything I can do to prove my case.
I wish this was the biggest lie of the century but everything that I've been reporting is factual.
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Des Linden: "The entire sport" has changed since she first started running Boston.
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
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